I did. I really don’t care if you don’t believe me xD
Are you sure you aren’t? Seeing as you’re posting on a classic alt even, sad.
What’s there to say? What I posted clearly meant I agree with OP about current warlock design being outdated/awful. Why do you think I told the guy not to talk about past warlock if he wasn’t around to experience the different variations???
Then why didnt you do it again if so easy to show how awesome you are.
You are the one walking about like a toddler telling others not to speak.
You said nothing of the sort and just want a rant telling others not to disagree because apaprently you and the op know better but judging both your achivements neither of you have done anything of any merit.
Because I did PvP??? I did it on PTR only because they gave you the necessary gear/enchants for free lol
So me telling someone not to talk about a subject they have no experience on makes me a…toddler? “Walking about” what the heck does that mean?
This topic is about current warlock design. This isn’t about how warlocks are performing in high end pve/pvp you absolute spoon. Apparently you’re the only one who doesn’t have a clue about what OP and many others are discussing in here.
Congrats on being the first on my ignore.
Thank you and welcome to mine too.
I play my warlock since vanilla and sure we had some problems over these 20 years where i played some teinks but in the end i always came back rather fast to my lock but right now i dont feel any enjoyment when i play him and it makes me a bit sad
All that says is you played in mop
I realised that i dont play enough warlock to pitchin in,so comment removed.
I don’t know how to explain it better so that you understand, I’m not saying Warlock isn’t tanky, what I’m saying is that other classes had advantages over Warlocks like being more mobile at the cost of survivability, but since that is not the case anymore and everyone is a damned tank, it doesn’t make sense that Warlocks are still a tanky turret.
Old Mage → Squishy but high mobility.
Old Warlock → Tanky but low mobilty
This is balanced.
The problem is now we have:
Modern Mage → Tanky and high mobility.
Old Warlock → Tanky but low mobility.
You can change Mage in that sentence for any other caster and the point remains the same (except SP because they need a complete rework as well). Warlock hasn’t changed over the years, and with the current content Blizzard is releasing, which requires a lot of movement, the class feels awful to play.
I don’t wanna start a genitale size war about this, but if you can stand still, take a hit, and survive, you aren’t doing hard enough content.
Warlock is one of the last remaining fun classes in game, dunno what you on about.
What about all the free pug raid spots for the sake of being able to summon all the slackers
I mean yes but my fun as a class should not come from getting invites cause im a teleport/healthstone vending maschine.
I know, I was being salty at how “have group will travel” got removed to give warlocks value back
I cant understand this thread. lock isnt so bad and despite the mobility issue (that is not an issue unless to forget to turn off burning rush) is fun and straightforward. especially destro.
Gotta love that interrupts equal a stun for Affli locks since release too.
Yeah yeah skill issue, blah blah blah.
I mean i cant even put a finger on what exactly is zhe problem for me with locks.
None of the specs feel good to play for me right know. And the movement thing is a problem they have since forever but with jow the game evolved i feel like locks could have something. Like one on demand movement skill to dodge would be cool or atleasr some dmg abilities i can use while moving.
Right now it feels like you play a sentry. When i look at my mm hunter who is literally a sniper where you would think they bunker down he can move so much. Sure for his big smg cast you need to stay put and cast but everything else is on the go.
I dont want for any lock spec to become like a hunter but atleaat a little bit more movement would be nice since the bossfights have now so.much more you need to dodge
Edit: warning very personal opinion from.someone that sadly has no fun atm with his beloved warlock
No lock isn’t so bad,it’s just in so bad shape.We are not talking about numbers here or anything,simply the class needs rework needs some updates to their playstyle and especially aff and demo.
I suppose most of the people by now should have 3,4,5 80s.Tell me you don’t feel satisfied playing ret pala or ele sham or arcane/fire/frost mage or you name it.
The only other spec aside from demo and aff that felt really blunt to me when i made a trial char was surv hunter.
Lock needs attention that’s the point of the thread.
Lol, lock is one of the tankiest specs I’ve seen so far in TWW. You can’t complain about that. Just Dark Pact is better than 90% of defensives out there, then we have free potions (soulstone), passive shield that regenerates as you do damage, passive % damage reduced through talents. Unending Resolve is also insanely good with how low the CD is. If all of that is not enough, you have Voidwalker to tank for you solo or use it’s ability in group play, which is YET ANOTHER defensive.
Then you have Fear. In solo play, this has always been the single most powerful CC for a loong time. No CD on that either.
Throughout all my chars, warlock is the easiest to survive in delves, because of ranged + all the defensives. If you wanna see bad defensives, try boomkin and get pummelled. Besides Barkskin (which is just OK, nothing amazing) and a pathetic 30% HP heal, they got nothing. Blizzard thinks bear form is OP and it probably is in certain scenarios, but shifting into bear means ZERO dps and becoming basically a target dummy for 10 seconds while Frenzied Regen is doing its thing. None of warlock’s defensive abilities prevent you from doing damage.
EDIT: Oh, forgot MORTAL COIL. Do I need to say more ? Even on a boss, that’s 20% HP instantly, on a very short CD. Yea.
As for mobility, Burning Rush has no CD, what more do you want ? Most other classes have mobility CD that boost their speed for a little while (<10 secs). If you use BR the same way, you lose very little HP and still get 70% speed increase. Not to mention all the zooming in old instanced content, the only class that is faster moving without a mount there is my hunter.
In combat, in raids, you have Demonic Circle, use it. It should become second nature for you to place it whenever you move. While other classes have to use movement CDs and spend time moving around, a well placed teleport will get you instant movement that dodges mechanics and allows you to continue DPS-ing, while other classes continue to safety dance.
Out of all the things to complain about, warlock is not one of them. Sure, some passive movement speed talent would be nice for convenience, but it’s not necessary. And defensives, lol, what more do you want, bubble ? Come on now.
One more time,noone complains about defensives or utility or even damage although some more tuning wouldn’t hurt.Burning rush off gcd is more of a qol but it should be live already.
We are talking about combat and gameplay functionality which do not suffice in the current state of the game.
Dungeons and raids are not patchewerk style anymore there are lots of movements involved and simply the class can’t funtion it needs updates.
So what, you want more damage-on-the-go ? While I was cathing up to current WoW gameplay, I saw a few guides recommending rifts for Destro if you want mobility. It is not the best damage overall but it gives you mobility options, something to press while moving. Then there is Conflagrate, refreshing Wither, even Shadowburn. You have buttons. You can’t be moving all the time so these should be enough I think ?
I am sure Affliction and Demo have similar choices, no ?
If you are not trolling i don’t know why u comment actually.
In case you don’t troll…Have you ever played shadow priest?Say cata/mop shadow.
Compare cata shadow with tww shadow and tell me what you see.
THAT is what i want with warlock.