Here me out
I understand how this game works.
I don’t mind SIMC every piece of your GEAR or looking at your logs all the time
when it comes to a highest end game possible and min maxing nature.
NOW
when it comes to wowhead and their articles about TIER LISTS
sometimes i feel like they are killing the game for many people just by saying your SPEC is S,A,B,C,D,F.
Today i was looking at wowhead and M+ Tier for 9.2
And i saw enha shaman and ret paladin in C and D
Now as basically VETERAN player of this game i know that i can do miracles with my spec just by playing it right and in right composition etc etc etc.
so it all comes down to me how my spec is doing in certain keys
of course there is limit (that’s why meta exists)
But casual world doesn’t know that that’s why they are looking for GUIDES
My point with this thread and TIER LISTS is that
if you put something like that on WOWHEAD where many casual players are looking
you will intentionally or maybe unintentionally kill game for many people that love certain spec just by pushing this META into a casual world
i have my experiences with this
people in PUGS and sometimes even people in guilds are going with this weird mentality that if the specs is at the bottom of the tier list it’s garbage and unplayable
and that is wrong.
Just join Prot paladins, we are a spec made for gods. Everything about Prot is superior to Ret(except for your window burst, which is the only thing you can do). Come join the real paladin spec its SSS tier.
Just play what you want to play. If someone doesn’t invite you to a group because you’re not playing a particular spec. Then it’s their loss, not yours.
Problem is that people don’t actually read or use their own brain.
They see S-A-B-C-D-F and think that those letter will translate into them being better players just by picking a better ranked.class. It’s not really the fault of guide writers if people are unable to get to their own conclusions.
It’s not different from those that think they need max rank leggos for doing KSM.
The Loyalist - who plays their class expansion after expansion, regardless of how it performs.
The Alt hoppers - who play a different class each week because they cant decide what they want
and finally, The FOTM - People who look for the S Tier and play it because they think they will be godly.
Just play what you like/think is fun, Personally i enjoy having people join my M+ team and say… Necro MM? really? … followed by me smashing em on the Deeps chart at the end of the key!
As the saying goes, id rather someone who plays an unpopular class well than a popular class poorly
His main point is that way too many people just look at the raw numbers. They however dont understand how these classes or the game works and as such go with the mandatory “lul your class bad lul”. Enha shamans were a testament to that.
Its an community issue stemmed from people pointing towards logs etc while not knowing how to read these logs properly in the first place. How to fix the problem? Sincerely doubt its capable of being fixed as long as we have access to statistics n stuff (which we always will have in one form or another)
Don’t play Shaman if you ever want to be S tier. Trust me. The very rare occasion that they’re S tier it won’t be for long.
Best thing to do is compare yourself to people playing same spec as you. Someone has to be top, it’s impossible for it not to be that way. Compare to others playing same spec as you and be happy if you’re up there with people in similar gear to you.
That goes for many specs or classes. This includes Rogues, Mages and Warlocks. Including if a class/spec rules for an entire xpac.
Sub Rogues for example were one of the strongest specs in SoD. Now we are back in line. For the time being. Outlaw being very strong in BFA has been “trash” (emphasis on the quotation marks) pretty much the entire time of SL. They had a better time during SoD (including outlaw venthyrs simming 200 dps higher in raw st than sub) but now have returned be utter dong. Just like sub had been dong in BFA past shuriken combo nerf (and that i would actually call real dong)
And the S tier thingy is dumb to begin with. Many people dont even understand why these classes are S tier in the first place or how that is being determined and its not always just the raw numbers. Otherwise Enha would be S++ now given its ridiculous sims on ST. Those are lists from players that are either playing at the very top (Limit, Echo, Method, Pieces etc) or on a relatively high level and as such tackle encounters entirely different than your regular pug or average guild.
A good example was soulrender when people were stacking monks for him because Monks were the statistically speaking “biggest pumpers” only to end up dying over and over and over and asking themselves the question “why boss no die?”. With the answer to that being blatantly obvious.
eh, play what you want. if you follow the numbers you’ll be stuck in an endless grind, and unless someone is paying you good money to have a career as a professional gamer, the effort is not worth it.
I find the tier lists useful to get an indication of where classes and specs are going to be in each type of content. I don’t chase fotm but I’m not going to burden my team with something thats poop. It’s also nice to get insight into what the tier pieces do and who has good / bad ones.
I’ll always be an advocate of the player over the class but you’ll always get people in LFG with their “+3 Sanguine depths, need bloodlust, pumpers and venthyr!” Let them be that way.
Edit: Also, as an aside, this is why I’m in favour of picks / bans (call it what you like) in the MDI. People will see that a shadow priest or feral is Godmode in the right hands. I’d rather have a good SP in my group than the fotm reroller who is
its SSS tier.
