Way too many people still don’t seem to get that in every part of WoW there had been a vast amount of grinding and farming. People don’t see it because Blizzard very cleverly masque the same routine with a new colour of paint hoping no one will notice.
And they are again and again proved right.
Show me a complete episode of wow that DIDN’T have grinding or farming, or repeatable content thrown at you.
And please stop holding up Chris Metzen as some kind of benevolent figure who could do no wrong. Or this a different one from the other Chris Metzen who amongst other things was readilly attacked for his percieved orc bias, especially “green jebus”…
Been running a raiding guild since BC and can tell you that while there were feasts, potions, flasks, and dailies for rep, I’ll teach you a thing or two about the difference:
Consumables for raid/personal didn’t require an extensive amount of hours to gather.
Dailies took you 2-3 weeks tops to complete to get exalted - after which you didn’t have to go there anymore unless you were going for quest achievements.
It’s ok if you enjoy WoW at the moment. I’m sure many do, but please don’t claim that grinding has always been in the game as it is right now. If you’ve played any Free to Play games before you’d see many similarities between the current WoW and F2P games in terms of lack of content and required grindfest.
I will leave this as is as I see no need to debate this. My points made in the original post were focused on respecting people’s time and money.
If you like the current content, then that’s really great for you
So you don’t want to debate?. Oh well. Guess your mind is made up so in that respect, yes. You’re right. There is NO point in debating.
But you still didn’t provide evidence that there wasn’t any repeatable actions in previous parts, regardless of the time took. I know for a fact thousands if not hundreds of thousands complained vociferously about the amount of dailies in MoP, an expansion many deem to be the pinnacle of wow, before WotLK of course (Again. Not exactly grind/farm free) I fail to see what exactly your leadership of a raiding guild has to do with it however. If you are attempting to say that farming and grinding was significantly easier in TBC, that’s a matter of opinion. I know a lot of people who, just as vociferous it was in MoP, also complained about the amount of grinding and farming in TBC. I would also be grateful if you could point out the part where I said the grind in this expac was exactly the same as before. I didnt. What I DID say was that grinding and farming has always been a huge factor in wow.
But thanks for the lesson, I only started playing yesterday.
I don’t think it is that. She is rightly pointing out the flaws in the game. It is currently very alt unfriendly.
Crafting is broken as in the crazy amount of rare ingredients required to make anything worthwhile.
To use your off spec you have to farm two to three sets of armour depending on class.
And that neck is putting me right off touching an alt, and I’m an altaholic.
They really need to cut back on the grind and free people up to have fun and enjoyment from they want to do not what they are forced to do.
Yes a few weeks daily quests, or if you were going after a non-essential ledgendary. However this neck is just too alt unfriendly, at least if they had other necks in game and didn’t link it to other armor pieces you could dump it in your bag for six months, but that isn’t even the case.
Repeatable content is inevitable.
But in vanilla I was not forced to grind anything. I didnt need reputation for anything I wanted (not that I recall). There is of course the grind for gear, but as mentioned - that is inevitable.
Reason why it’s still such a high priced sub based game is due to habits and old fame.
Game does not meet current industry standard: you would expect way more reactivity from the développer when you pay a sub.
Lack of stance with raider io; lack of balance patch; bugs everywhere.
Could also talk about class design and story writing but one could also argue its subjective. Agreed, too bad vast majority agrees it’s bad but w/e. The 3 mentioned points are objective and it’s terrible.
Before players used to enjoy the subjective aspect of the games; now that they no longer do, combined with an overall quality drop (bugs), the lack of reactivity is concerning.
Oh and’ i forgot: incredibly useless tooltips.
Legit some talents are just describing the fantasy of the spell but with no numbers what so ever? What?
I sat here nodding my head while reading your comments, Gehei.
It is so true that wow is hanging on because of habits and old fame. Most if not all of us who have played it for years have memories tied to the different zones, friendships formed and THAT is what keeps it alive. It isn’t the max lvl content and grind that’s for sure.
These are aspects that have been unique to wow compared to other MMOs and it is the part that in the end I will miss the most. If there was a minimum of content that wasn’t pure grinding then that would be enough for many of us, the problem is there is none especially when this isn’t a free to play game.
Hehe luv u more bud. Yeah I’m waiting for the juju too. During Blizzcon, I was sitting there waiting for some miracle announcement. Blizzard saying “yes guys. We are sorry dear customers, but we screwed up badly and you guys are getting the following awesomeness in the future: <insert awesome activities copied from 3-4 other MMOs out there>”
There is no harm is studying the market the releasing a better service/product. See hat the success factors are from other MMOs out there and replicate. I promise you, Mr. Blizzard, I will not be mad if you copy cool gameplay from other games.
If your well has gone dry, gotta go to the next village to borrow some water.
I believe in Blizzard - they will rehire! They will wake up from this five year hibernation theyve been in.
If they pull the plug the game will still live on. Warner Bros pulled the plug on Asherons Call after 17 years this last year. Or the year before. There are now private servers. Only because the publishers, Turbine, made a promise to use players to make it possible for us to run our own servers with a kit they were going to release.
They then got sold to WB and went silent. I mean silent. I am sure there were intellectual property rights involved so they could not release the private server “kit” that we were going to get.
But Asherons Call Lives on. There are now two separate teams workign on versions of the game using different programming languages. I played the game i thought iw as never goign to play again. It was private servers, in part, why i am even here right now.
They can pull the plug but this game will live on for quite a bit more. No amount of cease and desist letters will do the job.
So I unsubbed today - and from someone that works in Customer Experience at a multinational company, getting an analysis of why your customers are leaving you is crucial.
I remember 10 years ago, when I used to play on a US server and had to unsub because I couldn’t deal with playing at 1-2 am everyday, I got asked via a dropdown menu after I selected to cancel my subscription for the reason behind my unsubbing.
(Couldn’t include a link in the post, but google “Will of the Forsaken nerf is a reason for quitting” and you’ll see an image of the old un-sub screen.)
Today, all I had to do was click “Cancel subscription” and voila…
A company as big as Blizzard (or even Activision) you should be interested in such information.
If you need to hire someone to setup a Customer Experience team, feel free to message me, but I’ll tell you now, dear Blizzard, I’ll probably be firing half your devs.
I’m going to be honest with you as well It looks like fewer and fewer people dig this game anymore. Little wonder when you take a moment to analyse what it has become.
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It looks like fewer and fewer people dig this game anymore. Little wonder when you take a moment to analyse what it has become.