Imploring Blizzard!

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Dear Blizzard,

I’m gonna type. You’re gonna read.

I started playing WoW on Azuremyst US in BC. Back then, the most mundane task for me was stepping out of Shattrath into Terokkar farming soulshards - those 5 minutes of wasted grind.

I started running a raiding guild during Wrath’s Naxxaramas and moved to Magtheridon EU in MoP.
The one common factor I had was the feeling when I sat down and saw that Play button. The magic this game had was incomparable with anything else. You felt engulfed in wonderment where u get on, craft consumables that took 15 minutes to gather, did dailies and off to raid.

I remember when daily quests had their very own achievements. Those were fun. You had time to do other things, getting achievements, leveling or gearing alts, pvp. As a raider, u could log on only for raids if u wanted to. I remember when daily dungeon bonuses accumulated so if u were busy today u could log on tomorrow and have 2-days worth of rewards. LFR used to be an event that u had to prepare for and learn then it got dumbed down and included a raider-must augment rune as an “incentive”.

There was far more magic and respect for people’s time back then.

Back then I did stuff in WoW because I wanted to not because I had to. Back then I didn’t have to try to “sell” your AP to my raiders to convince them that it’s not a bad thing.

Now, I log on to do the same emissaries to get resources to get a shiny rock to use on a boring neck to see the numbers on it go up. Maybe that would’ve been exciting if I was a maths nerd. A system implemented to keep loyal players from going elsewhere. Let’s say I’m fine with wasting time getting it. What do I do when I’m done? Islands? Isn’t it the same as that area in Tanaan jungle where claws were farmed? Except that here there are no claws. You just get currency to buy stuff.

I never thought I’d say this, but I miss Legion legendaries. At least while u did content u got a little bit extra from ur emissary, world quest, boss, LFR, w/e.

In some MMOs, once you level your “paragon levels” u level it across ALL ur characters. Regrinding it on multiple characters - or back in legion regrinding it per spec even… if u think that’s ur idea of fun, rehire!

Blizzard will always be exceptional at making cinematics, lore, and raids. The rest of the game atm though is like a big con imo. I feel like I’m paying to play a free to play game for no benefits.

Back in Legion at least you felt like getting new skills at the beginning via AP so it was exciting. Going after weapon appearances was great even though the system of having to do stuff to get numbers to be able to CONCORDANCE facepalm or a nether crucible where ur dps will be dependent on how hard u shake the RNG genie inside the magical crucible!

Can’t add a vendor and call it a “patch”. Blizzard’s standards should be higher.

The game dev and ability to provide competitive content that earns the right to rein MMO market used to be very different than how it is now. It’s as if the creative and game directors have completely changed. Oh wait.

In his Farewell speech, Metzen said: “It’s not just the decisions you come to—or even the final shape of the product you craft.… It’s bigger than that and infinitely more important. True collaboration builds trust—and trust is the basis of all lasting relationships. With trust you build more than just a great product.
You build a TRIBE…that can build anything. A family of craftsmen.”

Well, the tribe right now seems withered and uncertain - and the trust - well
Trust went out the window with Garrisons. I know testing content is great! But we’ve been testing stuff since WoD. I’m tired of being a guinea pig. Can I start getting a good product for the money you’re getting pls?

Stop adding endless grinds! Make a good product with interesting content. Fix ur crafting! Why even add AnchorWeed at all? Why add rare ingredients to craft consumables literally used on daily basis? If it’s for crafting gear then sure, but do u know how many flasks players go through per week? I’m not even gonna get into feast ingredients.

I hope things shape up. I’m sure many players enjoy the game as it is right now and hope this post doesn’t get burnt down. This is just me imploring - hoping I’d get heard.

In my opinion, the game as it is right now is not a good product. I will never forgive Blizzard for making me risk losing friendships that I’ve made and driving me to throw the towel into the massive azerite puddle Don’t forget to click the neck

I will never forget the day I spoke to my raiders - one by one, telling them how much they mean to me and that, unfortunately, I’m done feeling like I’m being conned.

Blizzard is a smart company and I’m certain things will change at some point. Until then I think I’m going to be enjoying the scenery elsewhere where I feel like I’m getting my money’s worth. Adios.

Kursive - the guinea pig that escaped the lab.

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I’m going to be honest. It sounds like you don’t enjoy WoW anymore and I think you should move on for the sake of your own health.

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You should try Destiny 2! I’m loving every second of it at the moment.

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Well said! I am sad that what used to be such an amazing experience has been reduced to what it is now. And we pay for it, but what do they include in the subscription of extra things?..nothing.

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It is because I’ve been playing WoW for a long time and I have enjoyed Blizzard games and care about the development of the company products that I wrote this.

This is not an emo post, hence the title.

With that said, I have moved on to another game for now. We’ve paused raiding in the guild until some miraculous future patch, some have indeed moved to Destiny, some have moved to ESO. It was a sad day for us, but many were relieved since we were all playing the game out of love and respect for one another and for the guild we’ve built rather than for paid game enjoyment.

I won’t even get started on the anniversary updates they’ve just added. One toy - that’s the update since last year.

Blizzard… re-hire urgently!

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Your post resonated with me, thanks for it.

Unfortunately, we cannot expect any good changes. Blizzard aren’t evil, but they are, like the forums say, “a business”, and this business has been turning away from WoW and away from innovative ideas in general and - as is apparent now - towards the easy buck on mobile.

I don’t know how successful this change is going to be for Blizzard. Many say they will make big bucks on mobile and so that’s an obvious choice, but, frankly, it’s not a given. Blizzard’s strengths have been on PCs and these strengths don’t carry over to phones. Yes, Hearthstone did well, but that was just one project and it wasn’t exactly #1 phone game, it was like #15 or so. It has also not been showing anything interesting for quite some time and is now in decline. So, I am a little skeptical regarding Blizzard doing all that well on mobile. They might succeed there, but they might fail big time as well, and end up being just a declining company with 10 bland games in overdone genres who fire some of their staff every year.

But even that aside, even if Blizzard succeed on mobile - they will succeed there without my help. Mobile games are different from PC games, they are played differently. I am not going to follow Blizzard into mobile games, I’ll stay on PC. And WoW? WoW will just be getting less and less content and that content will more and more consist of yet another way to farm the same few instances or raids and yet another reason to spend a month or so to level one more character (like allied races) and at some point it will perhaps go F2P, etc.

I hate to say it, but there’s just no hope for the future of WoW. It won’t be getting better by and large. The most we can hope for is one or two more expansions with some more continents and the gameplay following the exact same pattern like now, but with new scenery. RNG will stay (and increase), timegates will increase, etc.

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I think their approach went a bit bad in Legion. They introduced all these ‘things to make people keep playing’ metrics. Although in BfA AP doesn’t have anywhere near as big an impact as it did in Legion it’s still that whole carrot on a stick system to keep people playing. Azerite gear is there purely to keep some kind of AP farm in place. This is probably why they got rid of tier. IMO they could have just stuck with it being a neck and given us tier.

I’m not a fan.

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While you have fond memories of previous expansions I also feel you have forgotten that they had as much grind in them as BFA does.

I remember in TBC spending my evenings killing elementals in Nagrand or cobras so I could sell rare drops on the AH, I remember in Cata spending hours circling a zone to gather herbs so I could make some money. In vanilla I remember spending hours in the tram killing rats to level up a weapon skil, in legion we had AP, an endless grind and then if half way through you thought you wanted to play another spec, another endless grind to get that spec up to the same place as your previous.

BFA has no more grinding in it than in any previous expansion. It also has more things to do at end game than any previous expansion, they might of course not be things you like, but that’s not to say plenty of people don’t enjoy the new islands and warfronts, currently I would place BFA in my top 3 list of expansions, from what I am seeing coming in 8.1 I am looking forward to it even more.

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I feel your pain little warlock. (still a n00b though ;-p)

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I think the grind is different and now grind is continuous whereas in older expansions (pre-Legion), it was limited grind that didn’t last a whole expansion.

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Hmmm
Sometimes i wonder if i wasted 10 years of my life with this, or if this saved me. I dont know.
But fun isnt there much anymore, thats for sure. Nor ‘magic’. It’s a business allright and one day they will just ‘pull the plug’. I always knew that, but still.

A lot of things got real crazy, absurd even.

Sometimes i think, if i would have told all this, back in 1980, they would have said i was crazy.

One thing’s for sure; all things come to an end, eventually.

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In the expacs Before Legion I do recall many players wanting something to work for that stayed throughout the expac…rather than get to your goal in 2 months and then have nothing. AP I guess was a way of implementing that but it seems many players don’t really like what they asked for.

Sums the playerbase up quite nicely tbh lol

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Isn’t that always the way. Players never know what they really want, even if they get it, they aren’t always happy :laughing:

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At this point, i do not believe you guys will ever be satisfied, blizzard is paid to find inovative ways to make us happy and interested in the game, but at this point it feels like they already implemented a lot, and tbh, no matter how much they implement from here on, it will never satisfy any player that is tired of the game at this point, there are maybe a few things they could explore, like taking ideas from other games, like wildstars hourse system seem to have worked really nice, and people enjoyed it, making all achievements account wide for me would be a blessing of a change, tired to see the same achievements pop up all the time, makes no sense to progress with my character as i want my account to progress with the number of points i get, either ways there are maybe a few features they could implement, but i do not see any amount of change or feature adding to actually renew the interest in the game again from players like the OP, or even myself, thats why i am playing GW 2, Warframe and Fallout 76, wow is getting me tired…

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I think people like you and other above need to understand one basic thing. The people that are complaining ain’t the same people seriously. If they remove titanforge which thank god i wish they would then people would complain but those would be the people that didn’t complain with titanforge.

It’s impossible to not have complains and it’s geting tiresome to see you people patronize and say we never stop complaining… You need to see which side is bigger and appease that. That’s what i think the devs need to do the same way when they removed flying and 90% of their population complained but then they hacked it back somehow and people complain we have it … Hint it ain’t the same guys.

The same can be said by the new leveling changes,after the horor hat was 7.3.5 new leveling system i complain ALOT and vocaly now with the new change i am really happy with -40% hp and i don’t need to complain cause they got their heads out of their buts but now joe from SPain hates that and starts complaining. You get the point stop blaming this it ain’t true we are quite satisfied but with current BFA iteration way to much is bad than good… And it’s reflected quite alot.

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Then please tell me how much constant ‘must do’ grind were there in WotLK or Cataclysm, that if you did not do, that hindered your progress.
Daily quest hubs were extremely quick to finish back then… daily quest series took like 15-30 mins at most and after you finished repu, there were absolutely NOTHIN you ‘had to’ do. You coul have gone out to have fun.
In WotLK, when Ulduar came out, in half heroic gear in my bored times, I went to solo heroic dungeons, it was fun… I got nothing out of it, I had time to do something extreme… I was not forced to constantly grind some stupid sh*t.
The moment, when alting became the way of hardcore progress instead of focus on main character, or the 2 lost equivalence, that was the moment, when the game started to go downfall.
When a game starts to implement more and more ‘must do’ things, then thats a clear sign, that they are either not able or not willing to make interesting content.
By marketing, it’s the way of intentionally ruining a game’s fun factor and future in order of producing some short term extreme profits… essentially selling the game’s future.

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I’m still waiting for my free koala pet btw! :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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I must admit this is the aspect I don’t like. The keep people playing metric.

I very nearly burnt out in Legion with AP farm. I know that was my choice but the amount I felt I had to do to keep up was insane.

I also don’t see how it’s fun to force new players to do grinds in an old expansion to get a new race. It’s all just more marketing to keep people playing.

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Very true unfortunately

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Fix WoW and I’ll summon Koalas!

Or you can play ESO and shape your Khajeet into one :slight_smile: