Okay, i get it that people want to have as best as possible raid so they can get over with it fast, but the amount of sh!t you have to go through just to get an invite to a raid is ridiculous. I guess that if you dont have a 9/9HC you are considered a failure? Im 5/9HC currently and i cant even get an invite on Grong.
How is a new player suppossed to do the content if he doesnt have the time to join a good guild?
What’s up with people? Are you that tilted?
If u got to choose between an experienced guy and less experienced guy who would u choose?
If u r a new player, try to focus on new raid when it comes out. Easier to find a raid since everyone is equally unexperienced.
Lets say some dude forming up a raid. He has done it like 10 times. He wants to get over with it fast, like u said. Why would he want to take a newbie? Not a friend, not a guildie.
Not everyone is a philanthropist, sorry.
This is literally just it. People want the best raid possible for themselves and they have no reason to take someone that’s only ever done LFR over the person that’s 9/9 HC.
It’s definitely best to get into a guild if you want to raid. If you can’t join a guild for some reason then you can create your own party and choose who you want to invite.
The way I solved this back when I only did pugs and had no previous experience was to either try my luck with raids that don’t require experience (those do exist, you’re just skipping them) or by making my own. Leading is not that difficult. The only boss where proper leading in pugs should take place is mekkatorque.
Just as a neutral observation: How much time do you spent in WoW? (If you do not know you can actually active the parental control for your account and let Blizzard sent you your online times on a weekly basis)
You (and a lot of others say): I do not have time to raid with a guild. Fair enough.
What is odd though: You have time to search and join random raids which will be way less coordinated then guild raids and less stable. On top of that you will usually spend time waiting for people to fill the raid and wait again if someone leaves (even if the boss was killed in the first try).
Now tell me: Do you have no time or are you simply not willing to schedule a fixed day for this? Even if you have shifting work times there are enough guilds that will happily take people like you who can only raid in some weeks. And usually it is way! more enjoyable to play with players you know.
Most people don’t really feel it is their job to provide upward mobility for other people they do not know. If they feel like carrying people at all (and most dont, most just want to get their run completed) then it makes sense to carry friends, guildies or the alts of fellow-raiders, and i think that’s fair enough. After all, when is the last time you went out of your way to help someone for potentially an hour, someone that you did not know a minute before.
There are quite a few communities created with the sole purpose of giving new players* a way to experience the whole raid without having to have a lot of experience or meeting obscene requirements. I don’t have a bunch of links available but i’m sure you can find them all over the forums or with a quick google search (or otherwise just ask other the people here).
This does not really make sense, raiding without a guild is generally much more time consuming than raiding with a guild. It tends to be more a question of whether or not you can do raids at specific times (like say wednesday and/or friday 20:00 to 22:00) or whether you can’t really be online at pre-determined times (in which case pugging may make more sense, though there are big guilds that just regularly do raids all the time).
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It’s also a question of what do you bring to the table.
There are often a lot more damage dealers than healers for example, so if you can fill a healer slot you improve your chances of getting invited.
Or you could start your own group, if you’re the one putting in the effort of putting a group together then you’ve secured your spot by default of course.
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edit: oops just noticed that Whan already made the “no time for guild” point.
It’s just down to efficiency, people want the reward as fast and as painlessly as possible, which goes both ways.
Ie the high/fast clear group has high requirements, while they could carry a new person through, they won’t, because it doesn’t benefit them. Likewise a well geared experienced player won’t often join a 0 exp progress group, because again, it doesn’t benefit them.
We want what gives us the most immediate reward, in pugs at least. I’ve no issue carrying a friend or guildie, but I’m not going to join a normal bod run with randoms.
I don’t see much that blizz can do with this, no matter how fun it can be to progress on a boss with your group, once you’ve killed it, to a reasonable degree that’s that, sure early kills often have alot of room for refinement. People don’t want to reprogress, redo the wiping.
People don’t want players that will be problematic for the groups progression.
You don’t have a full clear done in June 2019, which means you are either a player that started playing in April or that you are probably not good enough.
Also, a quick look at warcraftlogs (sorted by item level not by all item levels, so don’t worry), you seem to either die to your own mistakes or if you don’t you have absolutely no clue how to play your class. Your average performance is far below the average player.
Start your own group and take a look at some class guides, there are guides both in written form on sites like IcyVeins and on YouTube if you just search for Havoc Demon Hunter guide.
no1 want players un exp thet why u heve guild use thet to progress
Yiu have time to wipe for 2 hours in a pug, but not time to raid for a few hours with a guild?
Not all guilds are mythic guilds that require you to have 2+ chats ready to go you know, there are HC guilds, and even normal ones…
You are playing the most popular melee at this time.
Most likely the raid you try to join on grong has already 2-3 DHs inside.
The pug killing exp this patch is orb timing on grong and mekka that needs a voice chat. Before that it was ghuun, all raids /leave after mythrax.
There is no orb timing needed on Grong for hc or normal. Just pick it up, chuck it in, kill boss.
I do admit Mekka can be a real pug killer though.
Well if the raid ilvl is low + pug its still not that amazingly easy, specially with trigger happy healers that wanna see their names up in the meters and they end up lining up 2-3 healing cd’s on first tantrum and the 3rd wipes the raid xD
Tbh, if the raid ilvl is low, the add is gonna be dying around the time you’d wanna chuck the orb in anyway. Do see the point about trigger happy healers though. Even in more organized pugs. Kinda tilts me.
As a general response to the most common questions:
Yeah, i do not have time to join a guild cause i work as a musician, my schedule is completely sh!t so i can not give a commitment ill join a raid 2 days later. I was in a guild and did raids 3 times a week back in the time when i could, but now with summer right in the corner, i cant do that. Even tho i would love to. (Thats where i got the 5/9 HC)
But my prob here is that its completely stupid to NOT pick someone with say 5/9 curve on a fresh run. Most raid groups do like 2-3 bosses and then people leave after 2 wipes or so. Having some1 with 2 more bosses defeated on HC will make little to no difference than some1 with less. (If they have the same ilvl)
Coming from games like Vindictus, its pretty common that people will want insane req for a Raid thats fairly easy.
And lets be honest, you can not predict of some1 is good by their curve, neither their ilvl. Only way to do that is play with them.
So instead of asking for curve and achiev. why not ask them a simple question about a mechanic? That way you have a sneak peak on if they have done their homework and studied the boss mechs and most importantly, you encourage them to do so.
The low ilvl in raid does not equal only to low dps.
It equals to more damage taken from tanks
Less healing done from tanks
Less stats on tanks healers
Less healing output and combined to all said above:
More healing needed.
I think its been awhile you did pug with low xp and low ilvl raids my friend 
You might want to correct that to never having done low level pugging. I admit that low ilvl does not only equal to lower dps (nor does it always even equal to low dps!), but the point of the timing still stands. If your group is good, you can just yolo the orb. If your group is lacking for whatever reason (be it damage or healing) you want to chuck the orb in as quickly as possible, to prevent multi-tick tantrums which is the biggest source of damage in the fight. Only thing I’d argue for the timing in such case is to not overlap the orb with Roar/tank throw but with trigger happy healers, it might be better anyway since while it results in more damage upfront, it means less damage overall, and the burst will nicely be covered by the healing cds.
The problem is, all bosses before Mekka (and Stormwall after) are pretty much a breeze, and you are just short of that. Someone who has killed two bosses more than you has killed Mekka, which is the pug killer for most group (that or Conclave because stopping dps for a second is hard).
Oh i agree that things like curve and itemlevel (and raider io and wowprogress and such) are very poor predictors of performance (whether performance just means dps/hps, or some more refined definition that includes use of interupts/damagereductions and other utility when appropriate, or the ability to adjust to a sudden death/gamechanger, whatever).
But the kind of alternative manual vetting you’re describing hardly happens anymore. That’s what people did when they had to spend a good hour or more putting their group together using trade chat, going by reputation, vouching or by a little interview.
Be it sad or not, that doesn’t really fit the way most people raid now, certainly not spontaneous pug groups anyway.
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When you (as a group leader) are just going to take a gamble on people to fill your group quickly, then it makes sense to filter by item level and curve (and lean on flavor of the month classes) just to at least have a healthier pool to fish in.
Not because they’re good indicators of skill or outcome, but because the percentage of players who know what to do is higher among the have-curve group than among the dont-have-curve group.
That doesn’t say anything about any individual player but it is statistically a no brainer. Akin to betting on (random color, black or red) instead of on (random number) in roulette (ok fair enough, that is a much more extreme 49% vs 3% example, but you get the idea).
Put another way, there are plenty of bad players with high itemlevels, and plenty of great players with crap itemlevels, but if you ambush 100 randomly selected ilvl 360 players with a popquiz on UU’nat-mechanics , and do the same to a 100 randomly selected ilvl 415 players then the average score will no doubt be better among the 415 group.
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Anyway, as for your situation, i get that having a volatile workschedule takes the typical planned guild raids off the table. But you can probably find some big guild or big community that just has a whole bunch of people that form raids every evening at X o’clock among themselves (no pre-signups, no attendance requirements, etc).
I don’t raid at all myself at the moment so i’m afraid i can’t really throw out a link to such a community, but i see such groups scroll by quite often here and there on the forum or on wowhead or on discord.
Well since you never joined a low xp+ilvl pug how you do know? You speak in theory and from what your raiding xp tells you so. My guild 1shotted this with 385-390 gear when it came out, pugs @ 400+ with 410+ people inside it still struggling.
The point of the orb does not stand, if wanna know more of what i mean Get a 400 ilvl alt you have and go find a pug. Tell them what you told me after 2-3 wipes ![:rofl:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
i tink person hes problem simple fix will be git good problem person no cleu
only hes lfr exp and does not want join guild u ask for it fairness pug never good idd