There are so many things I don’t understand about rogues, DHs, and people’s reactions to these two topics, especially when meshed together in some way.
Why do people think DHs are OP? Is it because some highly-geared DHs have been able to somehow output a lot of damage? (I can’t do this, my damage is very medium at best, and very low at worst. If I can kill something in BG, it’s a rare ‘dream come true’-type occasion)
Is it because of leech + dodge + etc.? That’s not very useful in a long battle against a rogue, it only prolongs the inevitable.
Why is it that whenever I even mention something that just happened to me, especially about rogues, some jerk in BG chat always has to chime in with something like ‘lol says DH’ or ‘I never imagined a DH say that’, etc. Or even worse, ‘DH should not speak’. DHs don’t seem to have any kind of freedom of speech in BGs, especially about rogues.
I will tell a real-life example to better illustrate my frustration and need for knowledge and information.
We were in AB, I was traveling to LM, as there was an inc call. As I was riding my courser, suddenly I get SAPped. Ok, I am thinking, people all say DH is somehow OP and can handle rogues (though when I asked a rogue, they have NEVER been afraid of a DH, so that should tell you something), maybe I can at least do SOMETHING. So I try, but I keep being stabbed in stun, I stun the rogue and use a fel rush, and then i am almost dead already. Can’t remember the last thing I tried, but it’s obvious I didn’t damage the rogue at all, and I was dead.
(It did have some warrior with it that helped, but still)
So I am very confused, when there’s no CONGRUENCY at all between my experiences and what people say. People just say things like ‘use blur’ and ‘blade dance’, but those won’t stop me from being SAPped or disoriented for 14 or 23 seconds, while being stabbed ot death.
By the way, even spectral sight doesn’t work in normal circumstances, because any DOT (or such) makes it unusable. Not that spectral sight is really ever useful anyway, unless a DH can telepathically predict that a rogue is near, AND the rogue is slow enough so it doesn’t stun the DH before it can see anything - OR the rogue is far enough away that it can be seen (so it can escape anyway, because it’s faster than DH, and always out of range, until the spectal sight wears off and then it’s a SAP-stun-dead).
So the reasons I have heard so far as to WHY so many people foolishly think DH can do anything about a rogue is:
- Blur
- Dodge
- Blade Dance
- Spectral Sight
In a situation, where rogue catches a DH off guard (which is 99.99% of the time, unless a DH is telepathic and can predict the rogue at the EXACT right distance between ‘too far, so out of range / can escape’ and ‘too close, so it can SAP and stun before DH can do anything’, and THEN it can sometimes bring the rogue out of stealth), DH basically has no options.
The only theories I have are:
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These people are all rogue players, and want to keep the ‘DH OP’ myth alive, just so they can laugh when they play rogue and kill DHs by the truckload, and then the DHs are mystified, as they expected a different result
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These people don’t play DH, so they don’t know what they’re talking about, and they just believe any ‘consensus myth’, regardless of actual truth
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‘Spectral Sight’ sounds so OP on paper to these people, as it ‘makes rogue stealth useless’ (although in reality, it has a long cooldown, lasts a short time, sometimes doesn’t show the rogue anyway, or it shows it in such a vague way, you can’t be sure what you’re looking at, and rogues can RE-stealth in the middle of friggin’ ‘Eye Beam’!)
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The GEAR-thing, where a supergeared DH fights a newbie rogue with no gear, and is thus able to actually DAMAGE it.
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Something else that I don’t know
I can’t honestly believe that every other DH in the world’s experience is THAT different from mine, and that they have NEVER been helplessly stunkilled by a rogue. Could be that I have bad luck and I only encounter supergeared rogues, which can obviously one-shot my low-geared DH. I mean, HORDE DHs seem really OP, but I have never felt OP as DH.
I have felt OP as Paladin - and if someone claimed that Paladins are OP and can handle rogues, I would have absolutely NO confusion about it, as even my 92 Paladin killed 110 DH (notice, DH!) easily and without problems. Paladins can heal, they have barriers, lay on hands, divine shield, and all kinds of very very good defensives that make them practically unkillable in a relatively short fight, so I can believe a Paladin, in right circumstances, CAN handle a rogue.
But a DH handling a rogue? DH is not immune to stun or SAP or whatnot. Rogue can make DH really slow, so it can’t escape (while rogue can’t be slowed down). Anything DH can do, rogue has a ‘counter’ for. Try Rain from Above on a rogue, and you won’t damage it, because it will either
- vanish
- blink to someone else that’s far away
- stun you while you are in the air
- cancel the whole ‘rain from above’
- riposte
- cloak of shadows
- smoke bomb (vision obscured, can’t shoot)
- or any such trick
And it will DEFINITELY sap/stun/stab you to death the very second you land.
I once sat 23 seconds in a stun because of a single rogue, before it killed me.
Another time, there were two DHs, where the rogue killed the other DH while stunning me for 14 seconds. Then it proceeded to kill me, but I escaped barely using a glider.
I have tons of these stories, but I don’t even have ONE story where I would have been able to laughingly easily stunkill a rogue, the way rogues always stunkill me.
I know, I s*ck, ‘maybe the problem is me’, etc.
I just want INFORMATION, as I said, I don’t need the insults or the ‘you are a bad DH’ or whatnots. I can handle some classes, like warriors, even Paladins sometimes (but not mages, really, they always somehow keep me so far, I can’t reach them - but they almost always have help, too, whereas I usually don’t).
So whatever, maybe I am a bad DH, but partial reason is that I don’t have the information - no one ever explains WHAT MAKES me bad, what I could have done differently, what I could ACTUALLY do in that situation, how I could have handled it better.
I am not crying, I don’t want to complain, I want to IMPROVe, I want to LEARN and I am very confused about people saying DHs are OP and can handle rogues, when my everyday reality for 3 years in a row has said the complete opposite.
So perhaps I am doing something wrong, and I would like to know WHAT I am doing wrong, and WHAT I could be doing right.
Unless it’s just a gear-thing, in which case, never mind, I will never have good gear, because BGs just don’t drop anything good anymore, like they used to.
I just wish that rogues were nerfed to a level where a DH could at least choose to ESCAPE and not fight, because they’re just too OP to fight against, so I could AT LEAST get away. But even that is never possible, as rogues are faster, they’re able to slow DH while DH can’t slow them back, and so on and so forth, so it’s very unfair a situation.
The worst thing is people’s attitudes about it - instead of helping and explaining, they always take the opportunity to SILENCE and INSULT, as if that does something good. It doesn’t.
What good does it do to tell a DH they are not allowed to talk about rogues? Rogues will still stunkill me,but now I can’t even talk about it?
What good does it tell a DH that they’re just a bad DH and they s*ck, and they should ‘reroll’? Rogues will still stunkill me, but now I still don’t know what to do about it!
So if someone could stop their insulting toxic phase and elevate beyond such petty childishness into their actual human self that wants people to play better, maybe someone could HELP ME and answer these two questions:
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HOW can a DH beat a rogue (if it’s possible)? Tell me a step-by-step guide what to do in any given rogue stun/sap situation that leads to DH winning and the rogue dying.
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WHY do people think DHs are “OP” and that DHs can somehow handle rogues? What am I missing? Is there a secret technique, some spell I am not using, a rotation of some kind that keeps the rogue from being able to stunkill me, vanish when I can’t even use spectral sight, or blink to my buttocks after I try to run away? WHAT am I missing here, why is this like ‘universal fact’, when in every single struggle against a rogue, I always lose?
Do I have the wrong talents? What is it? Don’t just say I am bad, explain in detail WHY I am bad, what I am doing wrong, and how I can improve so I don’t have to remain bad forever, ok? I don’t benefit from hearing I am bad, I have ALREADY HEARD IT ENOUGH.
So, information, please. Is it even possible to beat a rogue? Do I need a superior gear, does a DH need to have better gear than the rogue? What am I missing, what is it that makes it possible (if anything) to beat a rogue?
