🕯 [Interest Check] [Light-RP] Hand of the Virtuous

[Lanestra-argent-dawn]

I feel like it would be a cooler approach if you get this concept without a military arm, but reached out to different guilds/factions within the Light-RP scene who have a military focus and have them carry out the fighting.

Do those exist though? Oftentimes they seem the zealotry inclined sort, arguably incompatible with the more orthodox angle of the faith to any degree above “tolerated”.

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

Do those exist though? Oftentimes they seem the zealotry inclined sort, arguably incompatible with the more orthodox angle of the faith to any degree above “tolerated”.

There’s a wide variety of guilds/individuals in the Light scene that provide different levels of zealotry. Compromise is also an option.

I think if the OP’s concept doesn’t elevate demon hunters and death knights to patron saints in the Church, I think they’ll get along with pretty much everyone.

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

@Nath

Firstly, OwO

1 - SERMONS IN PVP THINGS HELL YES, POP UP HOSPITALS WHY DIDN’T I THINK OF THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

2 - And yes, we need some non-zealot light rp. Not that I don’t like zealots. They are very cool, but the Light is good too, you know? It’s not all deus vult. Or lux vult. whatever it is.

(And DKs and DHs are not permitted in the group but are welcome to visit the church if they stay within arms reach and don’t head immediately to the crypt, but like some people say, is there really a point of them coming in? light probably gives them hives or something.)

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

(And DKs and DHs are not permitted in the group but are welcome to visit the church if they stay within arms reach and don’t head immediately to the crypt, but like some people say, is there really a point of them coming in? light probably gives them hives or something.)

Possibly the greatest drive for zealous light worshippers currently is the attitude certain people have towards the faith. I’ve seen demon hunters, death knights, warlocks, void elves walk into the Cathedral and be greeted with open arms, even favoured over paladins and priests. That’s what I’d say drives me towards zealotry more than anything, at the moment.

And yeah, RPvP campaigns lead to all sorts of options and routes of roleplay.

[Lanestra-argent-dawn]

There’s a wide variety of guilds/individuals in the Light scene that provide different levels of zealotry. Compromise is also an option.

Compromise always is, and thank goodness for that. RP would be an unenjoyable affair if no one ever budged an inch. I can’t personally recall any active Light oriented guilds that do not embrace zealotry* to a noticeable point, but I will take your word for it.

*For the sake of clarity, zeal is fine and in line with the faith imo. Canon Paladins and Priests regularly make remarks to the effect of that. It’s about balancing that aspect with the others.

[Williame-argent-dawn]

@Bahelda-argent-dawn

Albrecht? Stormwind Project? I’ve never heard of this! Is there a AA link or something like that? A Discord? Could you send me some links?

I’ll admit I don’t play the game anymore and am now simply a forum goblin and so don’t know the status of this community project but here’s the thread that should tell you everything you need to know about it.

[A-RP] The Crown Confederacy — A Stormwind Project

Crown Confederacy This project intends to bring a level of dynamic and interactive roleplay back to what has been a very static Stormwind, through the establishment of a civil infrastructure IC, and a community of guilds and interested parties OOC. Through this project, I hope to portray a narrative of a Stormwind with all the worries of war, and to share that narrative with everyone who wishes. I feel like there are huge gaps when it comes to the concerns of a powerful city-state at war, with …

[Mayliffe-argent-dawn (Mayliffe)]

warlocks

Excuse me, but some of us role play genuinely religious warlocks. May has always been this way, and I see no reason why she should be chased or cussed out of the Cathedral solely because of her class tag.

light probably gives them hives or something

My death knight has occasionally visited the Cathedral too, specifically because it made her uncomfortable. In the words of the eccentric gnome, “it makes me feel alive again. Sort of.” Sort of an extreme case however.

[Lóras-argent-dawn (Lóras)]

Having a guild or community project to represent the traditional beliefs of the Church is a very cool idea.

While I have no problem with the more extremist religious groups - and I’ve played something similar as a Blood Elf in the past - having representation for the mainstream organisation would help Stormwind as a hub.

Excuse me, but some of us role play genuinely religious warlocks. May has always been this way, and I see no reason why she should be chased or cussed out of the Cathedral solely because of her class tag.

I suppose it depends on the context. A warlock coming into the Cathedral, dressed in more typical clothing ought to be fine - they’re accepted members of the Alliance, whose value was noted by King Varian - but if someone rocks up in full Tier 6, glowing demon wings and all, it would be very strange to tolerate their blatant disregard for the sanctity of the place.

I’m sure you’re the former, but the latter does happen too in varying degrees.

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

A warlock coming into the Cathedral, dressed in more typical clothing ought to be fine - they’re accepted members of the Alliance, whose value was noted by King Varian - but if someone rocks up in full Tier 6, glowing demon wings and all, it would be very strange to tolerate their blatant disregard for the sanctity of the place.

This sums it up perfectly!

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

I suppose it depends on the context. A warlock coming into the Cathedral, dressed in more typical clothing ought to be fine - they’re accepted members of the Alliance, whose value was noted by King Varian - but if someone rocks up in full Tier 6, glowing demon wings and all, it would be very strange to tolerate their blatant disregard for the sanctity of the place.

Yeah, this is what I was mainly talking about. I’ve zero issues with warlocks, necromancers, whatever, following the faith. I’m talking about warlocks that rock up into the Cathedral decked out in fel green, generally trying to put the Light down or put it’s followers down.

Compromise always is, and thank goodness for that. RP would be an unenjoyable affair if no one ever budged an inch. I can’t personally recall any active Light oriented guilds that do not embrace zealotry* to a noticeable point, but I will take your word for it.

Call of the Silver Hand, Sons of Silver, Order of Eastweald. These are three guilds that, although they might harbour some more zealous figures, I’m 99% sure these guilds feature mostly forgiving/compassionate/whatever term you want to use for it paladins.

I definitely don’t try to say that zealous paladins are the majority, it’s definitely a minority group and you should be fully prepared for the consequences that can come out of the RP because of it (as the paladin). But you can definitely talk some down to a compromise.

[Thenul-argent-dawn]

To me i think this is pretty awesome considering how badly light RP has been done. It would be nice to see a change to see to it done properly

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

Thank you so much everyone for your kind responses!!

But, I’m really stuck on what to name it, as ‘Order of the Three Virtues’ seems a bit weird? I don’t know!

If anyone has some suggestions, that would be nice…

[Desartin-argent-dawn (Desartin)]

What about simply the Order of the Virtuous? It is simple, and immedeatly tells what it’s all about.

[Kump-argent-dawn]

Hand of Three.
Light’s Solace.
Order of Devotion.
The Virtuous.
Brotherhood of Dawn.
Something with Redemption…

Or anything like these! You can bend and alter them, if you like them more?

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

What about simply the Order of the Virtuous?

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Or anything like these! You can bend and alter them, if you like them more?

Thanks for all your amazing ideas! I’m currently toiling between:

Dawn of the Virtuous
or
Hand of the Virtuous

[Coldsháde-argent-dawn (Coldsháde)]

Are Void Elves welcome to join too?

[Redcroft-argent-dawn (Redcroft)]

I would gladly support this. Having RP’d light theme for over 10 years.

[Darianuth-argent-dawn (Darianuth)]

I’d love to see more of the virtious side of Light based roleplay. Encouraging compassion and hope in trying times rather than DEUS VULT or the like. Which is fine but already has tons of representation in guilds.

Whatever the case, I’d love to see this take off! Make Cathedral Square about the Cathedral again rather than a recruiting round or similar.

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

Are Void Elves welcome to join too?

In simple terms, no.

As much as this will be a somewhat progressive, I suppose, sect of the Light, Void Elves are still Void Elves! Which breaks my heart because I love Void Elves so much… Gaah! Why isn’t the Light more tolerant of you guys!!!

However, unlike a certain other guild, there would be no violence. I think the reaction of our guild should match with the reactions of NPCs:

“Oh! Hello there… fellow member of the Alliance. I mean no disrespect, but… I’m just not entirely sure the cathedral is the most… appropriate place for… for… For someone who indulges such… unique proclivities.” - Brother Sarno

While the NPCs are very suspicious of the Void Elves, with others suggesting they should leave, none of them take direct action and only criticise in quiet or vaguely to the player and not aloud. Such open distrust and hostility would attract the attention of the King. Anyway, I think the Cathedral would be FAR more tolerant now. The Void Elves have proven formidable allies, shown through the War Campaign, to snuff them off would be a little rude!

(On a completely unrelated note, High Elves using the Void Elf model would be able to join.)

But yeah, no Void Elves. :’(

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Oh, and I’ve decided on a name, Hand of the Virtuous.

This reflects the altruistic nature of the guild, rather than ‘Dawn’ which seems a little non-descriptive and ‘Order’ which makes it seem like an actual organisation. Furthermore, ‘Order’ is used waaaayyy too much and I wanted to be somewhat unique. I’ll get to writing a introduction post when I have more time (Summer, probably) but thank you so much for everyone’s kind words and support! I love AD so much…

[Metushelah-argent-dawn (Metushelah)]

You could always accept void elves in the hopes of converting them slowly back dont you think? (Just a suggestion)

“Yes, brother Elrithil has been an invaluable memebr of our sect, and as we all know we do not judge our previous backgrounds, the light accepts all! … and he has been progressing marvelously if i may add!”

Edit:
If i also recall correctly, their condition had been caused to them mostly and does not signify continuous practition unless otherwise stated so if you do wish for a way to have them join this could be a lead