🕯 [Interest Check] [Light-RP] Hand of the Virtuous

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

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Hello all.

I appreciate the Cathedral of Light in Stormwind has not had the greatest of reputations in recent times, but I wish to do something about it.

I want to establish a small order dedicated to improving Holy RP in Stormwind. It won’t have any political power, but it’s members will focus on making the Cathedral a happy hub for everyone who enters, religious or not.

Furthermore, the order will, eventually:

• Hold prayer on at least a weekly basis.
• Regularly preach on the Light, with a focus on the three virtues.
• Function as a hospital, providing medical as well as spiritual care and guidance.
• Educate others on the Light as well as providing free, basic education to Stormwind’s needy children.
• Fundraise for the Church, as well as other charitable organisations such as the Orphanage.
• Open intellectual discussion on the Light - what is it, truly? Is it a being? A force? Will we ever be able to find out?
• [MAYBE] Form a small holy militia to join other groups for longer (RP-PvP) campaigns and to assist law enforcement, as well as defend the church from potential unholy influence.

Overall, by meeting these goals, the members of the order will feel closer to the Light and become a better person.

The order will recruit anyone (Not DKs or DHs), as long as their connection to the Light can be ICly justified. Human Priests and Paladins are probably going to be the bulk of the group, though.

There will be little to no events - this is more to facilitate casual RP and improving the once unquestionable reputation of the Light. The casual nature of the guild will hopefully appeal to more busy members of the community who are strapped for time due to school, work, family or another Guild.

If this interests you, please like this post or reply! Thank you so much for reading! <3

Criticism welcome, of course.

[Mayliffe-argent-dawn (Mayliffe)]

The biggest challenge here will be to not fall into the pit of heresy without realising. I humbly believe that the Cathedral deserves some boring old orthodox Holy Light RP, without excess zeal and the likes that are in ample supply by other guilds already.

The intellectual discussion on the Light needs to be done carefully too. It’s not that it’s a bad idea; it’s just that you should ensure it doesn’t undermine the guild’s aforementioned (proposed) orthodoxy.

And while we’re at it, that might mean that a militia force might be a bit too much. Sure, employ paladins, send them on tasks and what not, perhaps even in two-person teams with a priest, but I’d avoid distinctly militant tasks.

That being said, if the guild takes off, this humble warlock here would love to be involved in fundraising and education. May actively contributes to the orphanage anyway IC, so I see no harm in actually RPing it out with a reliable-looking Light guild.

[Williame-argent-dawn]

This is an idea I’ve always thought would be cool to run with but never came round to actually doing it, so I’m glad to see someone else going ahead with it.

Though I imagine your biggest challenge will be finding people who are actually dedicated to this kind of RP without being burned out after a few months, if you can get even a small group together I reckon you’d really be helping out the general atmosphere of Stormwind, so best of luck.

Edit: I’d also say that perhaps with the exception of death knights and demon hunters class should be disregarded as a factor to consider, as I think pretty much any class can feasibly pull off being a member of the clergy/a theologian/etc. but that’s just my own two cents.

Further Edit because I’m a brainless chimp who doesn’t think before he types: Getting in touch with Albrecht and his Stormwind project might also help you guys get off the ground and running.

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

I’ll reply in little blocks, that’ll be easier!

@Mayliffe

1 - Orthodox is totally what I’m going for. Far too many ‘radical’ type guilds (not that I blame them, going ahead and deux vulting people sounds super fun) but I am sort of concerned that if it all goes a bit too casual we’ll have naughty radical types trying to delete everything. It’ll be a balance, as you say.

2 - Discussion is open, but yeah, anyone going ahead and changing things too much will be firmly disapproved, as will filthy void infused heretics who pretend to be mages. (gllllaaaaareeee x3)

3 - I think militia force was a bit wrong. I meant something like… maybe a wing that voluntarily may join RP-PvP if they wanted to alongside another Light-y guild? I don’t know. That was more of an afterthought. Actually, I’m going to revise that bit a little…

4 - But yes, you would be more than welcome. And yeah, that’s what I want, just a normal, law-abiding priestly guild. Plus having a warlock snooping about would be cool.

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

@Bahelda-argent-dawn

[MAYBE] Form a small holy militia to join other groups for longer (RP-PvP) campaigns and to assist law enforcement, as well as defend the church from potential unholy influence.

I feel like it would be a cooler approach if you get this concept without a military arm, but reached out to different guilds/factions within the Light-RP scene who have a military focus and have them carry out the fighting. Naturally you can’t avoid having some people who enjoy campaigns that feature RPvP, but I think it’d be super cool if sermons, hospitals and the likes were set up by this concept at RPvP campaigns.

Although I’ve a preference for more zealous concepts, I think something more compassionate/welcoming could be really interesting. It’s usually boring just having one side of the coin on offer.

Best of luck!

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

@Williame

2 - Yeah, I guess so? My hope is that for most people it isn’t their only character but burning out is really an abstract thing. I know people who like have played their character every single day for the past few years and still do, but some go through different characters every few months! I know I’ve tried a few characters but some stick, some don’t.
Obviously everyone won’t be confined to the Cathedral or just the district, that would be cruel, not to mention this wouldn’t be an entirely daily thing. I’ll probably work something out like a rota. Work/life balances are important, even for priests!

3 - Death Knights do not smell good and they drip all over the carpets! Boo! But yeah, that totally makes sense!

4 - Albrecht? Stormwind Project? I’ve never heard of this! Is there a AA link or something like that? A Discord? Could you send me some links?

[Lanestra-argent-dawn]

@Nathanael-argent-dawn

I feel like it would be a cooler approach if you get this concept without a military arm, but reached out to different guilds/factions within the Light-RP scene who have a military focus and have them carry out the fighting.

Do those exist though? Oftentimes they seem the zealotry inclined sort, arguably incompatible with the more orthodox angle of the faith to any degree above “tolerated”.

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

@Lanestra-argent-dawn

Do those exist though? Oftentimes they seem the zealotry inclined sort, arguably incompatible with the more orthodox angle of the faith to any degree above “tolerated”.

There’s a wide variety of guilds/individuals in the Light scene that provide different levels of zealotry. Compromise is also an option.

I think if the OP’s concept doesn’t elevate demon hunters and death knights to patron saints in the Church, I think they’ll get along with pretty much everyone.

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

@Nath

Firstly, OwO

1 - SERMONS IN PVP THINGS HELL YES, POP UP HOSPITALS WHY DIDN’T I THINK OF THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

2 - And yes, we need some non-zealot light rp. Not that I don’t like zealots. They are very cool, but the Light is good too, you know? It’s not all deus vult. Or lux vult. whatever it is.

(And DKs and DHs are not permitted in the group but are welcome to visit the church if they stay within arms reach and don’t head immediately to the crypt, but like some people say, is there really a point of them coming in? light probably gives them hives or something.)

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

@Bahelda-argent-dawn

(And DKs and DHs are not permitted in the group but are welcome to visit the church if they stay within arms reach and don’t head immediately to the crypt, but like some people say, is there really a point of them coming in? light probably gives them hives or something.)

Possibly the greatest drive for zealous light worshippers currently is the attitude certain people have towards the faith. I’ve seen demon hunters, death knights, warlocks, void elves walk into the Cathedral and be greeted with open arms, even favoured over paladins and priests. That’s what I’d say drives me towards zealotry more than anything, at the moment.

And yeah, RPvP campaigns lead to all sorts of options and routes of roleplay.

[Lanestra-argent-dawn]

@Nathanael-argent-dawn

There’s a wide variety of guilds/individuals in the Light scene that provide different levels of zealotry. Compromise is also an option.

Compromise always is, and thank goodness for that. RP would be an unenjoyable affair if no one ever budged an inch. I can’t personally recall any active Light oriented guilds that do not embrace zealotry* to a noticeable point, but I will take your word for it.

*For the sake of clarity, zeal is fine and in line with the faith imo. Canon Paladins and Priests regularly make remarks to the effect of that. It’s about balancing that aspect with the others.

[Williame-argent-dawn]

@Bahelda-argent-dawn

Albrecht? Stormwind Project? I’ve never heard of this! Is there a AA link or something like that? A Discord? Could you send me some links?

I’ll admit I don’t play the game anymore and am now simply a forum goblin and so don’t know the status of this community project but here’s the thread that should tell you everything you need to know about it.

[A-RP] The Crown Confederacy — A Stormwind Project

Crown Confederacy This project intends to bring a level of dynamic and interactive roleplay back to what has been a very static Stormwind, through the establishment of a civil infrastructure IC, and a community of guilds and interested parties OOC. Through this project, I hope to portray a narrative of a Stormwind with all the worries of war, and to share that narrative with everyone who wishes. I feel like there are huge gaps when it comes to the concerns of a powerful city-state at war, with …

[Mayliffe-argent-dawn (Mayliffe)]

@Nathanael-argent-dawn

warlocks

Excuse me, but some of us role play genuinely religious warlocks. May has always been this way, and I see no reason why she should be chased or cussed out of the Cathedral solely because of her class tag.

@Bahelda-argent-dawn

light probably gives them hives or something

My death knight has occasionally visited the Cathedral too, specifically because it made her uncomfortable. In the words of the eccentric gnome, “it makes me feel alive again. Sort of.” Sort of an extreme case however.

[Lóras-argent-dawn (Lóras)]

Having a guild or community project to represent the traditional beliefs of the Church is a very cool idea.

While I have no problem with the more extremist religious groups - and I’ve played something similar as a Blood Elf in the past - having representation for the mainstream organisation would help Stormwind as a hub.

@Mayliffe-argent-dawn

Excuse me, but some of us role play genuinely religious warlocks. May has always been this way, and I see no reason why she should be chased or cussed out of the Cathedral solely because of her class tag.

I suppose it depends on the context. A warlock coming into the Cathedral, dressed in more typical clothing ought to be fine - they’re accepted members of the Alliance, whose value was noted by King Varian - but if someone rocks up in full Tier 6, glowing demon wings and all, it would be very strange to tolerate their blatant disregard for the sanctity of the place.

I’m sure you’re the former, but the latter does happen too in varying degrees.

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

@Lóras-argent-dawn

A warlock coming into the Cathedral, dressed in more typical clothing ought to be fine - they’re accepted members of the Alliance, whose value was noted by King Varian - but if someone rocks up in full Tier 6, glowing demon wings and all, it would be very strange to tolerate their blatant disregard for the sanctity of the place.

This sums it up perfectly!

[Nathanael-argent-dawn]

@Lóras-argent-dawn

I suppose it depends on the context. A warlock coming into the Cathedral, dressed in more typical clothing ought to be fine - they’re accepted members of the Alliance, whose value was noted by King Varian - but if someone rocks up in full Tier 6, glowing demon wings and all, it would be very strange to tolerate their blatant disregard for the sanctity of the place.

Yeah, this is what I was mainly talking about. I’ve zero issues with warlocks, necromancers, whatever, following the faith. I’m talking about warlocks that rock up into the Cathedral decked out in fel green, generally trying to put the Light down or put it’s followers down.

@Lanestra-argent-dawn

Compromise always is, and thank goodness for that. RP would be an unenjoyable affair if no one ever budged an inch. I can’t personally recall any active Light oriented guilds that do not embrace zealotry* to a noticeable point, but I will take your word for it.

Call of the Silver Hand, Sons of Silver, Order of Eastweald. These are three guilds that, although they might harbour some more zealous figures, I’m 99% sure these guilds feature mostly forgiving/compassionate/whatever term you want to use for it paladins.

I definitely don’t try to say that zealous paladins are the majority, it’s definitely a minority group and you should be fully prepared for the consequences that can come out of the RP because of it (as the paladin). But you can definitely talk some down to a compromise.

[Thenul-argent-dawn]

To me i think this is pretty awesome considering how badly light RP has been done. It would be nice to see a change to see to it done properly

[Bahelda-argent-dawn]

Thank you so much everyone for your kind responses!!

But, I’m really stuck on what to name it, as ‘Order of the Three Virtues’ seems a bit weird? I don’t know!

If anyone has some suggestions, that would be nice…

[Desartin-argent-dawn (Desartin)]

What about simply the Order of the Virtuous? It is simple, and immedeatly tells what it’s all about.

[Kump-argent-dawn]

Hand of Three.
Light’s Solace.
Order of Devotion.
The Virtuous.
Brotherhood of Dawn.
Something with Redemption…

Or anything like these! You can bend and alter them, if you like them more?