Introducing Sub-Factions - would this make you happy?

So, for High Elf, Wildhammer, Sand (Fryakki), Ma’nari Eredar, Highborne etc lovers… i’ve thought of an easy way to satisfy you without too much effort.

Sub-factions or minor factions - selectable under the relevant race.

So in character creation screen, when you click on Void Elf a sub menu will appear giving you the option to have a high elf or dark fallen .

this isn’t quite an allied race, but it is playable faction you can pick that will have high elf customisations on void elves the ones only able to be selectable.

Alternatively:
Select Void Elf - next screen is two elves, one void elf and one high elf, and you pick one.

Sounded better in my head.

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I always thought this is how they should have done it but it would be “sub-races” not factions.

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You’ve already made a thread about this, but with more words. Why create yet another thread?

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I want to start my own cult.

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I’ve been saying for years that they should do ‘backgrounds’ in character creation.
Remove the allied races that are just variations of existing races and have them as customization options for those races. You can then pick a ‘background’ and that is your origin.

For humans, for example, you could pick between a ‘Stormwind’ or ‘Kul Tiran’ background (maybe also Arathi now, since we’ve been given pointy ears option and such?).

There could be some customizations that can only be used when you have a particular background (although I’m for freedom to choose what you want in this case). Heritage armor should probably be locked to a particular background though.

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yes. it would be the best solutions.

High elves as main with all the variation (helves,nelves,veles,suramarians)

humans as main wiyj all the variations (kt,sw,FORSAKEN)

Dwarves (khazmodanners, they flyin dwarves, dark irons)

Trolls (darkspear, zandalari, amani, ice, sand)

so no more complaint about anything

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There is too much clatter in char creation screen

Maybe its time to make it where all the humans subraces are in human, elf subraces - in elven, troll subraces - in troll.
That would include high elves, wood trolls etc.

Maybe its also time to make races, that spawn neutral: elves, pandaren etc. - and let them choose a faction via a quest.
I think, a lot of people would prefer to play for another faction, or just stay neutral period.

this is a very good idea.

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i mean, a lot of people have been asking for this sinca pandaria, this must be one of the top asks
blizzard, come on, its been enought time, just do it already

maybe use some technical crutch such as a neutral faction.

the only problem i see, blizz should put too much effort in this. Changing a lot of questline. It would require a complete rework of the entire wow history since the beginning (except maybe SL and DF) and i doubt the shareholders would be happy about this.

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can you explain pls, what would be the biggest problem here? like what would you rework

in fact i was thinkin to particular situations like forsaken. Havin to choice silvanas or calia could bring some quest description from cata a bit odd when you try to kill “loyalist” with your alliance forsaken.

But if we consider just elves, dwarves and trolls i dont think this could be a problem

I think so to
Maybe you could use AI to comb through texts, but largely should be fine
If there is something very bad like the situation you described with forsaken, put up a group of testers, and they can report the worst, and you just rewrite or exclude a couple of quests.

We already have humans killing humans for theramore and defias quest lines and some other self-contradictory stuff, so should be fine

in fact i guess noone read quests anymore :smiley: (almost noone)

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i mean, there is AC Odyssey, where you genocide spartans, then genocide atheneans, etc.
the actress famously complained that she cant play the protagonist due to all of that

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Honestly, that’s not a horrible idea at all. Big up Adorien.

Thank you. I think instead of bashing alliance fans for wanting what they clearly want, why not try and find solutions to the situation?

I know that’s the developer’s job, but there can be clever ways of doing this.

High elf appearances are available on Void elves, but while you can roleplay this as a high elf, it is technically a void elf. There isn’t the lore yet to make void elves a versatile group of high elves and void elves, so it’s not really want they want.

Can there be easy ways of just using what the void elves have without necessarily making it an allied race, but allow those with those appearance to be recognised as High elves.

One also must also think… you already have the models, just make it so. as an allied race.

I think the easier solution would be to have your void elf able to be a high elf either by quest choice after selecting it as void elf and the high elf existence would be tied to the void elves - so you won’t necessarily be adding another allied race. But using the void elf slot.

They could even change the void elf icon to show half void face and half high elf face, and change the description when you select them on character creation. Alter starting narration to also include them

there are a bunch of other options like a new tab feature. or new options., have them available as "customisable appearance on character creation and use a system like that to add subtle sub factions like Highborne, Wildhammer Dwarves, Sand Trolls, Eredar - so you both have fans officially being able to identify as these for the lore fans and for the newbies, they understand this is actually a sub-faction within the race of even another faction - but just not distinguishable enough to be it’s on racial group in character creation.

I mean it is very sad to see options to create Wildhammer appearances, Man’ari Eredar, High elves, sand trolls and there is just like zero realisation of what they are.

I get it that a full race all the time is a huge endeavour as that involves a starting zone as well, an allied race is easier because it can tie in to the expansion zone you meet them that is already part of the questing, but it also comes with a lot.

Things like Wildhammer and High elf, Highborne, Man’ari - don’t need as much at all, and would be an extra sub category … at most they would need is a starting narrative and some NPCs alongside the void elves (if High elf), Highborne (if night eves) ,Draenei (if Eredar_) etc etc to give a little bit more explanation and even direct them to where the rest of the faction is in game.

We mostly start in Exile reach and go to Dragonflight now - but for those who choose to start in Ironforge - say for Wildhammer, there would be a Wildhammer NPC explaining that most of the clan is Aerei’s peak and Twilight Highlands - telling them that they will send them htere later, - when the toon hits the appropriate letter, gets a messenger NPC that can breadcrumb the player to the quests - but they don’t really have to do that.

Just having it as an official thing in some capacity will be enough.

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