And Ion’s point was basically that if an ilvl 226 character does 8k and an ilvl 200 character does 2k (aka. multiple times lower) then that difference is not only due to ilvl but ALSO a skill gap between the players.
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Which is why it’s not realistic, its synthetic.
What are you even on about. Reality is simple. Player that has access to 200 ilvl does 60% less damage in real scenarios. It’s really that simple.
I don’t need a lesson, more like you do. I finished Automation and Robotics university. Did lots of tests and measurements in that time, but seems like you haven’t. Stupid is comparing your own gear just with 200 ilvl less on one spec. You didn’t have the same gear you have now back when you had 200 ilvl. You didn’t even check other specs which makes your point completely invalid as your test sample is too small.
Gotcha, you don’t know how to read APLs.
I have a master’s degree in engineering. Its not uncommon for measurements be different than your theory.
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I can probably set my character up at this ilvl with different items, swap covenant to venthyr (And max renown), and do less damage than my exact character scaled to 210 ilvl.
Is that a problem? Idk. But it seems a hell of a lot more relevant to ask than the question ion was asked.
Ion didnt lie, but his argument was irrelevant. He used hyperbole.
His argument was pretty much on spot. The biggest difference is the skill factor.
Where does that proves that Ion liked that the diference betwen a 200 and 226 without extarnal factors is 26%?
I posted before see your reply ignore this.
Depending on many other factors than ilvl. Which Ion never disputed. He was purely talking about the inflation of ilvl compared to other expansions. Which is not worse currently.
His argument is how balance is made.
Also his point was really that the inflation of ilvl isn’t worse compared to other expansions. And that’s 100% true.
His argument was definitely not irrelevant to the question if Shadowlands ilvl inflation is worse compared to other expansions.
If it would be “depending on MANY other factors”, you would see much higher results in WCL at lower ilvl bracket. Those people are definitely skilled enough. If you take skill into consideration its even bigger difference.
The main subject of the question was: Is the ilvl inflation of Shadowlands a problem? And is it worse than other expansions? The answer is simply: No.
Obviously it’s not realistic to do that much, but you can’t compare two real fights because they’re so much different. Your measurement of power gains / ilevel would be worthless, because it’s actually affected by multiple things which got nothing to do with ilevel.
Well if you take skill, setup, kill time, mechanics into consideration and like everything else that affects DPS you might be right. But then what did you get? Ion talked about power gain / item level, not power gain / item level and everything else factored in.
Did my fair share of tests, and trust me, if you don’t care about environment your tests will be useless. Or at least you’re not measuring what you want to.
Same APL = Same circumstances for both gearset. Which usually translates you different player skill. The two hunters you linked above, did not use the same skills in the same order, so again your calculation just not proves anything.
Great, now who cares? I mean I surely don’t and based on your comments you don’t really know anything about evaluating test results.
Ok so, argument about whether ion answered the question right / in good faith aside.
Does anyone actually want anything in regards to the topic to change? If so. What?
Do people want raw ilvl scaling reduced?
Do they want the difference between secondary stats reduced further?
Do they want external power systems to be equally balanced?
Do they want skill expression to be increased, thereby making rotations harder?
This is for pve specifically.
I’ve got to imagine the reason people are so riled up is they think the power disparity is a problem, and so feel they are being dismissed / ignored. And if that’s the case what do you actually want done about it?
Personally I want baseline sockets on gear, and less variance in power level between external borrowed power choices, I think both of those things would help reduce the gap between optimised and unoptimised characters regardless of ilvl, and improve the game as a whole.
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The answer is yes. Yes it is. Roughly 20-30% more.
That is how always expansions have been 
I have no idea why Ion things the ilvl gives you LINEAR boost to stats. We would only have 1% power increase per ilvl if there were no secondary stats on gear. Just the primary stat.
Sure, 1 ilvl give you 1% more stats (maybe), but that’s not how power creep in this game works. 1% stats does NOT translate into 1% power.
Right now it’s more like
TheoreticalPower = (AxPrimaryStat)x(BxCrit)x(CxHaste)x(DxMastery)x(ExVers)
where coefficients B, C, D and E are different for every choice you make (class, spec, talents, covenants, etc) and depend on actual current values of every stat in relation to other stats. It’s incredibly complex but still, NOT LINEAR, not even close.
With how stats interact with each other, the curve is closer to exponential increase.
13 ilvl difference between 200 and 213 is a lot smaller than 13 ilvl difference between 213 and 226.
like 200 ilvl person bursting CDs for 6k burst, 213 person for like 9k burst, 226 person for like 30k+ burst.
Is it a wonder WoW requires a hard squish every expansion nowadays? The addition of mythic tier for every patch of every expansion bloats the stats for AT LEAST 3 additional tiers. With exponential power curve, that’s a TON. Is it a wonder we started requiring stat squishes since Mythic was introduced at the end of MoP?
By the end of SL we’ll be dealing damage in hunders of thousands again. It’s just not sustainable. Next expansion’s prepatch will have to roll out ANOTHER stat squish just to keep you from reaching 1mil+ dps.
This is why you have a whole page of fights to compare. If you knew statistics you would know that having many samples can give you pretty good idea about that.
So you are saying he is trying to compare a guild that is progressing to the guild that finished mythic multiple times and says “its fine”? No. Its not. You have to factor all these common variables that literally HAPPENS EVERY TIER.
Doesn’t seem like it if you were trying to prove your point by using a SINGLE sample size on niche spec that barely anyone plays.
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Literally only sub rogue and surv hunter is less popular.
Which also means being optimized for best possible gear. Not taking into account anything else, which is why its synthetic.
More like you dont. You are trying to prove your point with simple sample on niche spec in synthetic test.
You’re suggesting that a difference of 60% in performance is purely due to ilvl when many other factors such as kill time, buffs (mainly PI), sockets and stats also have a huge impact.
The inflation in Shadowlands is the same (or less) than other recent expansions. And the performance difference due to ilvl alone is not a problem (in PVE). Just like Ion said.
Pure difference of power inflation is about 20-30% more than in previous expansions, stop being attached to PI, you have large sample size to compare.
So for example this tier is like 1.6x, previously it was 1.4x multiplier. Yes last patches with for example corruptions and UBER AP in legion is different story, we are at FIRST tier.