first thing that I need to say, is the fact that I am no expert on PvP. That is why I am here to ask for answers from your personal experience (both Alliance and the Horde)
So recently I told myself that I will after a long time give a chance to PvP. And now I am doing my preparations for season 2. I dueled people in front of Stormwind and I asked better PvPers (especially DHs) for suggestions on how to improve. They often told me that I should practice in random BGs untill I feel that I am ready for rankeds.
But when I came to random BGs, it was really frustrating. I know that random BGs are… well… random. But I also know that I don´t feel ready for ranked BGs, so I should probably stick with them.
Here is the issue: my winrate in random BGs is very very bad. While I have very good winrate in skirmishes I have very negative winrate in BGs (like 25%)
Often I see that Alliance don´t know the basics of fighting. They don´t focus healers, They don´t care about our healers. They don´t care about objective (They fight in the middle of the battlefield while I and half of my teammates are trying to carry flags).
But when I look at the other side, I see grouped up horde, focusing objectives, protecting healers and killing everybody in one big force.
Is it just me or is your experience similar?
Is the rumor that Alliance can´t PvP true or false?
TLDR: I think that Alliance lacks basic knowladge of playing BGs. I see horde knowing what to do and cooperating, while Alliance often focuse tanks instead of healers and act like they are in warfront. I ask you to compare your experience.
Let me just say that I’m bloody rubbish at PVP however I try to do it as much as I can and my experience, however limited, is that both sides have their pluses and minus’. Neither one being better or worse than the other.
It will always be the case when you join a random group. It’s either a hit or miss. You need to group up with people you can communicate with, at least enough to focus on objectives or do call outs. If you want to solo it, i guess you’ll have the same expierence on Horde with random groups being a hit or a miss.
Then why don’t you try Horde? If that’s how you expierence the game and feel like you’ll progress better playing horde, then by all means, play Horde. I never leveled a horde to max level, most of my horde characters are in the 100-50 range and from my own expierence, the grass isn’t greener on the other side.
Well I am not that kind of person who jumps to a side that is actually winning. I would only increase the problem. If everyone did this, the game would be unplayable for both factions.
That’s the whole problem we’re facing today, i think you can feel it more in PvE than PVP. A lot of progression guilds and random players followed the 1% and now we’re sitting at a faction imbalance. I hope it’ll fix itself in the future.
I think it is down to the fact that PvP players will hop faction in a heartbeat for the racials. Anyone remember WOD when every team you faced was almost fully Human?
If Blizzard created a third faction where all the characters were bathroom units that had magically come to life and if those racials were best that is what you would find hardcore PvPers playing.
Imho, Horde tend on average to be more PVP orientated, but often in AV (the only BG I do with any regularity) it appears to simply be a matter of who has a reasonably large core group in the team, that sticks to the correct tactics… however in a longer patchwork fight, Horde generally win.
on lower levels i actually win pretty much all of my bgs, but at the max lvl it looks like the Alliance loses their knowledge of what to do in a bg. Not caring about flags or the efc or other objectives just fighting for hk in the middle of nowhere. While the horde seems more coordinated at max lvl
In terms of casual BG’s when we’ve investigated this in the past it turned out that most people are actually pretty close to 50/50, no matter the faction.
I think we just tend to notice a losing streak more than we notice a winning streak because its so frustrating.
From personal experience i can tell you that what happens inside the game is exactly the same, no matter the faction.
If your win rate is low overall then remember, there is one constant that is in every single one of your games. Start with improving that constant first. And no, alliance is not god awful at pvp and horde is not gods, random bgs are random and a few competent players can make all the difference in there.
That is not true. I have 5 horde toons and 5 alliance toons wich I play in pvp. its not about mentality. OP is right alliance is bad in battlegrounds.
When on my horde toons BGs are easier. Everyone knows what to do. Most of the team is focusing enemy healers, controlling enemy dps, peeling for our healers. We do play to win the objectives. Some of us fight in the middly just to bait twice as much alliance players away from the objectives. Usually me and one more player force like 5 alliance players to chase us and duel us in the middle of nowhere while our team of eight crushes the 5 remaining allies.
When on my alliance toons we loose too often. We rush WW in battle of gilneas, we have 2 healers while horde has one and yet they burst our healers and kill us. Its really rare to see ppl helping for objectives or having coordination. Its just a bad game.
I don’t know if it’s just a case of remembering loses more often then victories or you recently improved but your current BG win rate isn’t that bad.
overall 48,43 with The Battle for Gilneas being the one you lose most.
Anyway my personal experience as an alliance healer is that the horde is just as awful at defending, interruption and attacking healers in random bg.
But yes we do tend to lose more in the smaller bgs and win more in the bigger once which was also revealed at last blizzcon with overall win ratio of the different maps.
in my experience, i would say horde do better than alliance. while it can get very fustrating as horde if you have a losing streak, it does balance itself out. i have done several hours worth of mercenary, and i have probably lost nearly EVERY bg. also, i have not had much luck on my gnome rogue often either, though i do play alliance a LOT less than horde for obvious reasons.
and while the top rated bg players are all alliance, they use horde toons for their arena and i am not sure what reason they play alliance for RBG? (skill capped). if the top 10 RBG players played horde (i dont know why they play alliance as they arena on horde) then there would only be about 19 alliance players in the top 100. (29 with skill capped as alliance). also, from a horde pov, i often see horde vs horde match ups in RBG. if there were as many alliance, this would not happen. and i am quite low rated (1900~). there should be even less alliance in higher ratings.
in rated 2’s and 3’s there seem to be a lot of alliance though, so maybe they are better at small scale no objective fights where nuking can be the winner which is why they dont anywhere near as good in bg’s.
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