As the title reads… I wonder if frost mage is a good choice for pve content as I barely see any mages. And if I do see mages, they’re all fire.
Edit: I don’t like playing fire spec, so I wont
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fire is the flavour of the month spec, but ive found that i still often can outpace fire mages with my gear aslong as u know ur rotation well.
also you find in longer fights frost tends to pickup very well.
fire is good for extremely short bursts, aka pvp
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Thank you for the reply
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I can’t say anything about the no-IL build but I’ve had decent success in M+ with the orb build.
It’s a lot more consistent than Fire but the major downside is that if you can’t keep your targets in Blizzard and/or Frozen Orb you can end up losing a lot of dps. This is especially prevalent on fights where the tank or the boss/mobs constantly move, and also on Necrotic weeks where tanks will constantly kite mobs through your AoEs for the slow, but won’t remain inside of them for the full damage.
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Frost is a very good spec. Only reason you don’t see it more is that Fire is overpowered right now.
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I’ve played both specs (fire to a very lesser extend, and pretty much only inside LFR raid).
What i’ve seen is that fire spec does absolutely crazy burst damage, which is really good on raid boss fights and high level mythic keys (+15 and up). Fire mage AoE is also more powerfull than frost but it has a major downside, it needs alot of uptime to deal real damage.
On the other hand Frost mage has crazy cleave. Glacial Spike and Ice Lance hitting a second nearby target with splitting ice talent really gives a huge boost on your dps. Frost Aoe on itself is not as powerfull as fire mage but its more consistent meaning that it will actually do more dps in lower mythic keys where trash mobs lives for like 10-15 seconds before they die.
So my conclusion is all about what you aiming to. If you aim for high mythic keys (+15 and up) you should play fire. Not that Frost is plain trash, just Fire is better. If you aim for playing low keys up to +15, you should play Frost, It does more damage overall than Fire.
The good thing between frost and fire is that their stat wheight are similar. Both specs need tons of mastery to shine. The difference is between haste and crit. Frost needs 33% crit where Fire doesnt really need that much. Having haste as frost is nice, in Fire spec haste is more important though.
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Frost noil can often do more dmg in pugs with smaller pulls and tanks not pulling bigger for combustion. It also has more consistant dmg so your not gonna lose a ton of dps if you get cc’d during your combustion.
Fire is scaling better with masterful corruption than frost so the better gear you have the stronger fire is relatively. Fire is also great at deleting difficult trash or adds which is incredibly valuble when pushing keys and raid prog.
In raid frost will sim better than fire on 1-2 targets however fire’s spikey dmg pattern means it usually comes out on top. Any fights with lots of adds fire is massively ahead.
Btw, does anyone know when masterful corruption will be up to buy?
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It all depends on what content you wanna play, you really need to give some context.
Since you are on the forums asking this you’re likely not gonna be going for high keys, so then yes frost is definitely viable, but so is every single spec in the game for that kind of content.
As for if frost is good it’s a bit tougher to answer. Good is a relative term, and if you compare it to all ranged specs in the game, then yea frost is actually kinda good, but if you compare it to the direct competition (the other specs available for the class) then no it’s not good, cause it’s competing with the most broken spec in the game currently, fire.
Also just for fun i looked through some top keys, and the highest key timed by fire is 28, and the highest key timed by frost was a 25, which was a one of, and the highest level for frost mage that has been done more than once is 23.
Also reading the other comments on this thread i should probably add this. Frost is better in content that literally rolls over (dies in less than 20 sec with combust), but in any type of pushing content, fire is gonna outperform frost by a rather large margin.
If you insist on playing frost that is completely fine, i don’t judge, but when you join groups remember to put a note that you’re frost, cause they are gonna be expecting you to be fire.
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It was last week, sorry man.
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I’m pretty sure it wasnt, i check it pretty much every day. Last i think it was Honed Mind up, not Masterfull
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No, i dont beleive any of us should put a note “Hey i’m frost”. Most people out there think that frost is plain trash. So putting a note is like saying… “PLZ DONT INVITE ME”.
When i join a group and we all get to enter the dungeon they see i am frost. I have no idea if they want to kick me or not, but when the dungeon starts and i do over 120k on trash mobs and arround 60-70k on boss fights (except specific heavy movement bosses ofc) i bet they change their mind.
Frost is very good at 10-15 keys. Frost is even viable for higher keys (ofc fire is better at higher keys). People needs to know this and understand it.
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Pretty sure it was since i bought 6 rank 3 masterfuls
no it’s a note that ensures that you don’t get kicked when they see you’re playing frost. A few frost mages have complained on the forums that they get kicked from groups that realized they were playing frost, and it’s to avoid that situation.
At least i would prefer to not get taken for a run rather than getting invited and then kicked when they inspect me.
Another thing with it, is that it’s aimed if you wanna do any meaningful content (pushing past 15 i guess). At that point it starts to actually matter. The routes you can do as fire mage are wildly different from frost, so if you have some things in mind you wanna do with a fire mage, and then you get a frost mage, suddenly your route might not work anymore cause now you don’t have prio target deleted or dragon’s breath.
It’s both a case of i don’t want you to join a key and then get kicked, but also when 95% of players of your class are a certain spec, and that spec is so defining in the meta, then if you queue up they are gonna assume you’re that spec, and not declaring that you’re one of the few that don’t play that, is just bad for the entire party.
But again it only actually matters if you’re doing meaningful content, if you’re not even doing your weekly keys, then it doesn’t even matter.
I don’t know if that is a flex attempt, but it really made me realize that we play 2 very different games. That damage i lower than most of my alts, but then again you also play in a way lower bracket.
It’s gonna be hard to have any meaningful discussion when we’re this far apart in terms of experience.
I said frost was good in content and keys that literally roll over, and that is true, but does it really matter then? Like think about it, can you call a spec good if it’s only good when the content is not hard?
And as i also mentioned frost can work at high keys, but it’s a good 5-6 key levels below fire, and you’re actively gimping your group as frost, as you bring pretty much nothing of value compared to fire.
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No it was not a flex attempt ofc. As you said, we play a completely different game. I play at +10 bracket you play at +20. I am not as experienced as you ofc, but at the lvl i play and with my experience these numbers are very nice. At least compared to all other mages i’ve seen in the groups i’ve been.
I’m just trying to say that spec doesnt matter alot at low keys. Other people in the group though doesnt know that, and thinks that if they take a frost mage over a fire mage they will be gimped. Which is not true. Not at +10/+15 level.
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I’ll believe that, fire mages at low key levels always suck. It pretty much comes down to fire mage being extremely gear reliant, group reliant and reliant on things living to do damage.
If you play 10s then you usually have bad gear, so you will do even worse as fire and things die way too fast.
I suppose for the key level the numbers are decent, but i am fairly out of touch with that level of keys i must admit.
That’s also what i said though, i said fire mage if better for any content where you actually push, but for low keys frost is viable, just like any spec in the game.
Yea they won’t be gimped, but ngl i would still prefer a fire mage over a frost mage for a 15 due to the sheer mob control, even if frost probably does a bit more damage at that level.
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So what keys should i play with my gear? Taking under consideration that i know at least the basic things on every mythic dungeon and i’m familiar with my dps rotation?
In my mind i think i would safely do 13-15 keys. Although i never get invited for over +11 keys. Dunno if its because of my spec or gear.
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https://www.wowhead.com/news=316381/when-will-specific-corruptions-return-update-hotfix-to-possible-corruption-vendo
Likely dates on corruptiom
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Thanks alot mate. I really hope these dates are the actual dates of the corruption rotation as they are just speculations.
Thanks for the info though.
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First week of the patch i did a 16 with 448, and we didn’t time it, but we definitely could have if we wanted to tryhard it a little, so you can definitely do 15s in time with your gear, especially with how geared players in your group are gonna be.
The week after i comfortably timed a told dagor 16 with 458, so again with your ilvl you could easily go to that.
Overall with 464 you should be able to do the job for a +15 even if we account for difference in skill.
And yes i can tell you as someone that does weekly +15s, most people signing for +15 as dps are 475+´for weekly key, it’s insanee, and i won’t consider anyone below 470, unless they are 3k just because of the competition.
If i was you i would just push your own key, it’s the only way to reliably go up. You can join 11 keys, play well and try and ask if they wanna go for the next key, and work up like that, but there is always the risk of getting kicked, compared to if it’s your own key.
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aprox in about 3 weeks
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