Hi everyone!
Although I started playing wow about ~2 years ago I’ve never been constant in the sub, as I left each time because I either didn’t have a team or I felt underpowered[without raiding, which is impossible without a team].
Usually, though, the havoc spec felt quite good to play. Now it feels really weak in the starter areas against NPCs, while my other pg - an unholy DK - has no problem of the sort at all.
So the question is… am I playing it wrong? In that case could you give me some tips? I’m using the wowhead guide for the skills
Most seem to think it’s weak and although it’s not in an ideal state for hardcore play it’s also not as bad as you describe. If you’re really having trouble leveling then I’m sorry to say that it’s not about the class.
Some key talents that might help you heal yourself are Blind Fury, Soul Rending, Cycle of Hatred and Demonic all combined. Other than that, with gear, it will become much easier to kill stuff later on.
Yeah, I suspected as much.
Aside for the last one I’m using all of them. Do you have any advice/guide on what stat I should prioritize about gear?
You should really be using Demonic. It’s a what really connects all the other talents, giving you more damage and healing.
Generally haste and versatility pull ahead of the other two. Mastery can be useful for AoE while critical strike is almost never needed. Anything that is a 10 ilvl upgrade or more is going to be better because of agility.
For leveling though, stat priority is not that important, so go for ilvl. When you get to end game, I recommend simming your character. You can sim your character with the addon simulationcraft and the website raidbots.
Try levelling as Vengeance. The damage output is almost the same but you can pull tons of mobs with almost no downtime.
The nerf bat hit Havoc DH pretty hard, so with low gear the performance are terrible.
Also Vengeance is in a very good spot as a tank, so you can insta queue and rofl tank all normals.
first replace Blind Fury for Demonic Apetite -> you’ll get more sustained while lvling since DA gives a soul picking it up heals
use either glaive tempest and Circle of Hatred or Trail of ruin and First blood
take soul rend and last one is demonic
When you have EB up you can pull more mobs and nuke them down, just let EB cast go all the way through.
When you dont have EB up…try not to pull too much
It depends on what you want to do really.
In mythic plus it’s pretty good, the burst aoe is still here and so your overall dps should be good but it will mostly come from fighting packs of mobs, not bosses which can be a problem in tyrannical weeks. Raid wise it’s not great as single target is king there and it’s really not the spec’s strong point but you can still make it work. Bosses with aoe and cleave kind of help with your overall participation to dps.
However with vengeance being so good atm you will almost always have one in your group for high level content, which really limitates the value of your utility as they bring chaos brand.
In pvp the spec is very weak, probably one of if not the worst melee atm. And you are also forced to pick the NF covenant if you want to pvp.
MM+ havoc is ok, weaker on tyrannical weeks since single target dps is really bad.
In raid, havoc is bad due to bad single target. Darkness is an ok raid buff, magical debuff is great but it’s better to have a vengeance demon hunter for that.
For PVP havoc is bad because it is really really squishy without any, again, single target DPS.
source: h ttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#metric=bossdps&dataset=95
I don’t like tanking that much though
Alright, thank you!
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In pvp the spec is very weak, probably one of if not the worst melee atm. And you are also forced to pick the NF covenant if you want to pvp.[/quote]
I don’t care much about PvP so no prob with that
I see…
Using demonic talent can make a huge difference. You should try it.
In general, DH isnt that bad. Its not topping charts or even mid pack but at least we arent fury warrs or survival hunters or assa rogues.
in pvp it takes an effort and skill to score a kill. we def arent a faceroll pvp class anymore. A lot of classes can do better than us with half the effort
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Fury warrs actually pump in m+, unlike havoc 
survival is nutty too on trash since it has uncapped aoe but st dmg suffers, just like havoc.
Nope Havoc isnt broken or bad at any point no, people cant play them well they cry and cry, ST dps havoc can use a little buff yes but cleave Dmg hell no they are kings.
This is honestly kind of painful to read considering I output 6-7k DPS overall in M+ regularly, which is more than most fire mages, hunters or boomkins I pug with.
havoc is far from bad in m+. We have pretty sweet dmg especially if tanks knows how to pull. The problem is pugs thinking that only way youll time a key is with meta comps like boomie fire mage mm hunter, ww fire mage mm hunter, fire mage fire mage fire mage, fire mage mm hunter mm hunter 
We def arent top m+ dps but we def arent trash tier when it comes to m+. On the other hand ST needs a buff def. PvP wise we also need some of our def back cause we are squishy. But imo aoe is in a good spot.
Yea I agree with you, I was merely stating what I’ve seen happening in m+ in general. You can’t rely on pugs to not do questionable stuff. For havoc, if some pull gets scuffed, especially a trash pull where you commit meta and die, your dmg after will be kinda meh. A fury warr’s cds are going to come back up a lot faster and their abilities work together better than ours ( example whirlwind + rampage/raging blow/bloodthrist)
i honestly dont mind fury vs havoc in m+. Think they are both good especially if you count we bring the debuff so yeah they should deal a bit more dmg than we.
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