It should be 2 mins because every class has 2-3 min offensive cds. DH is the only class with 4 and feels weird to play.
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Shadow priest doesnât really have one.
Unholy DK has a 8min one.
Bit of varity makes the game better.
Except for the class which hates it. And I donât know of any DH whoâd rather Meta was 4 min instead of 2. It severely punishes our DPS on some fights and during reclears.
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Its a matter of opinion. Iâve never heard it being moaned about before and I think it makes it feel more powerful but I donât main DH so you view is more valuble than mine tbh.
Just thought it would be a buff in m+ because of the stun.
If it were up to me thereâd be no animation and no stun on meta.
No animation 
now you go too far sir!!
I think itâs dumb for an offensive cd to stun you for 1 second
Enjoy the RP⌠o yh its an immunity too. Man its a good cd lol. Good when you get stuck in a ring of shadows thingy in visions btw. Eye beam stun is worse imo
yes, I want full Meta!
Not in PvE ? Why would anyone want your offensive cd to stun you for 1 second? You lose DPS.
if they are going to lower the cooldown of meta they will need to also lower the buff duration in order to not make it over powered, could work but it depends on how people will take it hoenstly
Your immune while mid air. Thats not how balancing works, also nearly all cds are on the gcd now eating up over a second. Arcane opener for example, charge up gcd, worldvien gcd, rune of power cast, arcane power gcd then start casting attacks lol.
Iâm an enhancement shaman. so lets compare our big cds:
When I summon wolves (upgraded with the final talent) I donât immediately do AoE damage. My wolves last for 15 second and can be feared. They also give small buffs to my spells completely randomly depending on which wolves you get. So if I go lava lash build and donât get double fire wolf,my cd is kinda wasted. If I get lightning wolf and I donât get SS or WF procs,my cd is kinda wasted. I donât have any azerite traits or talents that reduce the cd for wolves,or get them for free and if I use the essence,the duration is laughable.
DH metamorphosis does heavy AoE damage and stun (daze for pvp which is stronger than slow) morphs your 2 spender abilities into more powerful versions, lasts for 30 second so you can use it for the entire Bloodlust and you get immense value out of essence,has built in %25 haste,and gives you ridiculous amounts of leech so you are much much harder to kill during pvp. You get it for free by simply casting eye beam which is also your hardest hitting spell. Chaotic Transformation further buffs the skill by resetting your powerful AoE ability cooldowns WHILE also buffing your main spender. You also reduce the cd of eye beam by collecting souls which also gives you %20 health and Fury,which in turn means more free metas.
Now please tell me why do you want itâs CD to be reduced while it is this powerful? Youâd have to remove the leech bonus,%25 haste,damage and stun components and reduce itâs duration to 15seconds if you want it to be a 2 min cd.
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Make shadow blade on Less CD.
Since sub is good only for burst and Its a total joke out of it.
I think meta should be permanent,kinda like warrior stances used to be back in the day, it could have its own benefits/downsides when active.
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Because itâs not that powerful. DH is average DPS in raids.
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maybe you shouldnât be the best in everything? Have you ever thought about that? At the end of the day you can be considered a hybrid class with tank spec available, and you are trading a little bit of damage for stupid amount of mobility,self sustain, defensive cooldowns and multiple CC. You arenât even saying DHs are very bad at raids,they are average. And making all dps classes average in a raid environment should be the aim for the balance team anyway.
Also, you have eye beam every 30 second (which is more like every 24-25 second thanks to azerite trait) which gives you meta for 8 second. If you have essence,your meta CD is about 200seconds. So letâs say you cast 8 eye beams during that CD which gives you a total of 64 seconds of meta. Not even counting the meta you randomly get from essence. Itâs safe to say the time you are spending out of meta is slightly below 2minutes,which already beats some of the classes with standart 2 minute cooldowns.
Weâre not the best in anything.
Hybrid Tax disappeared in WOTLK my dude.
An average spec and a dog 
one yeah. That is unacceptable.
Itâs also safe to say that Meta is not as strong as other offensive cds if we spend so much time in it and weâre still average?
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Now please tell me why do you want itâs CD to be reduced while it is this powerful? Youâd have to remove the leech bonus,%25 haste,damage and stun components and reduce itâs duration to 15seconds if you want it to be a 2 min cd.
Maybe because half of features which you mentioned (stronger half) is being removed?
Meta doesnât do heavy aoe damage when you activate it, it doesnât do any damage at all. Itâs just the stun/daze.
Meta in it self is also not that strong, dps wise. The power comes from the combination of furious gaze azerite and demonic talent. (Furious gaze gives a ton of haste after you cast eye beam). We lose furious gaze in SL, and demonic is nerfed by two seconds. The time spent during meta where you donât have the furious gaze buff up isnât a huge dps gain compared to being out of meta so I could argument that having a shorter cd with shorter duration would help fight a DH because itâs better telegraphed when the DH is in an actual burst phase.
Going into shadowlands, with those nerfs to DH survivability and (unless numbers change) burst, I donât think 2 min CD would be too op.
The stun aspect for mythic+ and daze for PvP would have to be addressed tho if meta was changed, I can agree with that.
A little sidenote to the other points: DH survivability is taking a big hit in shadowlands, with, among other things, a lot of reduced leech, and blur nerfed.