Hey DH fellows,
Almost all other classes have their big CDs in 2/3 minutes. We are one of the few that has it on 4 min CD. Is it time to become 2 min - 15 seconds. In this way, we can be more active in raids. 30 seconds is a powerhouse for sure, but I feel that such a big cooldown does not work for aggressive melee as demon hunter.
No coz people will start to whine that they buffed their cooldown
Do we need more of the “NERF DH BAD 2 BUTTON ROTATION UGHHHH!!!111!!!11” threads
Well, we should not care what people will say. By playing the beta I think the focus will go to two other classes - warrior and DK.
With VoP now, the cds are 2 mins for other classes such as warlock, druid and that feels kind of right. I personally now am stressed with 3 min cd of the internal in shadowlands since get used to 2 min ones.
Well VoP is a problem in it self (or just overall essences).
It was a part of 8.2, not a permanent addition to the game.
I can agree that some classes (especially with long, powerfull cd’s) felt really good with VoP but if those changes were to be implemented to the main game they would need to do more balancing for those cooldowns
The classes like dh which have powerful cooldowns would need to be rebalanced and cuting in half the duration of meta wouldn’t change a thing since they have azrite trait baseline which resets the cooldown of eye beam upon entering demon form so they can in shadowlands do a 30s meta even with 15 sec duration
I agree.
If nothing else, it’d feel a little more interactive to be able use it more often, or not feel so punished for using it on trash. Given that it’s already a PvP talent, Blizzard must’ve had the notion as well.
Definitely should be 2 min, I remember fights like Mekkatorque where you’d basically get 2 Metas and your 3rd would be very close but not quite there.
It sucks to only use your offensive cd twice in a long fight while other classes use it more often.
With talents your meta cd is under 30secs…
reduce cd, make it less powerfull. This is only way. But 4 mins cd is good. If u get meta every 2 mins, half of ppl will delete game.
It’s definitely not good to wait 4 mins for your offensive cd. DH is the only class that has that.
If u get meta every 2 mins, half of ppl will delete game.
You can already get meta every 2 mins in PvP.
ah, this is why I have 15 min que …
Yes, but not every class can get free cd every 30 secounds from an already powerful spell ( eyebeam )
Its a talent 
Every class picks up powerful final talent. Honestly, our only option there is demonic. I really want so more competitive talents in the last row. Momentum does more dps, but due to the stupid jump nature does not work. Nemesis should be moved in another row since it is 25% burst increase and we need it for our opener.
Afaik we are also the only class that can get their biggest CD “for free” when using a core rotation ability though.
I would prefer if Meta actually made me feel more powerful. It gives a lot of tankiness, but its a bit lackluster.
It should transform all spells tbh but reduce Annihilation and Fel Sweep.
Or Demonic should be baseline (with 6 seconds) and give another improving Metamorphosis Talent in that slot maybe.
That causes Chaos Strike to become ranged with AoE Splash Effect and increased Leech, maybe. Would be cool. I wish for that the most. Rain From Above is cool but it doesnt cut it completly.
I want to be that big angry demon getting tanky and shooting aoe splash damage everywhere with my attacks.
DH needs something like Chaos Blades or Nemesis baseline. Momentum buffed by another 5% or just another flat 15% damage increase alongside that on Fel Rush itself to give it a bit more oomph.
Momentum is never worthy of a final talent slot is the problem. Legion final talent tiers were so much better… Chaos Blades. Fel Barrage. Ugh.
How we went from 3 viable picks, especially in PvP, to just one is just depressing.
With this cd DH is barely average in Nyalotha so clearly that is not an issue.
Also, it’s the max lvl talent.
See above.
Lol don’t say you need it reduced for balance.
30 seconds / 4 min or 15 seconds / 2 min doesn’t impact balance much. It impacts quality of play a lot though.
Have you tried the pvp talent? If feels rubbish when the meta is so short.
Sometimes I run vision major in dungeons, feels really good as your barely out of demon. Nice defensive boost too
In a raid? No. I have not tried the pvp talent in a raid.
It’s weaker than other Essences.
K so there’s no point i trying to have a conversation with you, huh? If you have used the pvp talent you can see how short the better is off it, the grass isn’t always greener.
The vision talent is weaker than CLD in raid and weaker than iris on packs middle ground for both so it is an option when your doing both. The defensive value is very strong too.