at least, in the recent expansions, for a long time they took part in major events. sylvanas was always, especially in bfa, a destroyer while jaina was always a sort of guardian. they also both have very rich bio. much more than many others.
No. Sylvanas was the main antagonist of BfA along with N’Zoth, that’s pretty much it. In Shadowlands Jailer, and not Sylvanas, is the main antagonist. The main protagonist is you, the player character, the hero.
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Jaina has been key to pivotal events that date back to Wrath. She has participated as one of the main protagonists ever since, or at least with some pivotal intervention key in some way to the plot.
But regardless of how staple her presence has been, her relevance has fluctuated. Wrath, MoP and BfA had her being the key character, whereas Cata and WoD, she had a more focused involvement in some specific bits of the overarching plot.
Legion was the only expansion where she was notably absent.
Sylvanas is different. She had relevance in Wrath as protagonist but the rest of her interventions weren’t tied to the main plot in any way or form. And definitely weren’t always about her being the villain.
Even in BfA, she remains as a background force that doesn’t intervene directly most of the time and simply acts as some undefined catalyst that makes people behave in certain ways (like some meteorological phenomenon).
She isn’t an acting character of the story.
In short: No, Jaina may have been a staple protagonist of the story, but her roles weren’t always about defending. And Sylvanas lacks sufficient exposure as a character to be addressed on Jainas terms, nor has her character always been considered a “destroyer”.
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There are quite a few people involved in writing WoWs story, and who is on top of the food chain changed over time. Most of those writers have their own pet characters that they push whenever they can. So while there might be a main prothagonist/antagonist for a while… It will probably only ever stick as long as the hierarchy of writers sticks. At most.
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Jaina,sylvanus, nathanos and possibly tyrande reek of self-inserts.
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Calia is obvious offender too.
None really are…
I mean, everyone is entitled to not like a character or the direction it has. But “self-insert” seems to be turning into one of those buzzwords people throw around without understanding or not caring about what it means.
None of those characters seem as self-inserts. Mind pointing out how/why are they?
Jaina and Tyrande are alliance baised mary sue’s. Sylvanas is the only good character left in the game.
they are not mary sues. especially jaina. mary sues are characters with little backstory who can surpass any challenge they come across with little effort, without any knowledge beforehand.
jaina has experience against powerful foes and practiced magic under the best in the land. she was defeated and won. jaina wasnt always powerful, but now she is powerful and only growing in power.
dont know much about tyrande.
Nathanos is a self insert, as for the others maybe not self inserts, but the writers definitely have pet favourites. They are going to be shoved down our throats in every expansion.
Of who? Danuser?
He has behaved the same way he did back when Danuser wasn’t even part of the writing team. He isn’t a new character that relates, either physically or mentally with the author. And whose only “flaw” was taking a more leading role at a time that “coincidentally” had his direct boss, taking up the most prominent position of the Horde faction.
Honestly, if Lor’themar became Warchief, I’d expect to have a ton more regarding any of his seconds. Much like having an orc as Warchief, led to having the likes of Garrosh, Dranosh or Eitrigg, in expansions such as Wrath, BC or Cataclysm.
I recommend taking a look at this thread from the US forum:
It brings forth an expanded reasoning regarding why few characters are actually self inserts, and how often people throw the term around wrongly.
Most of the characters you named, ail from being “bad” in one way or another. But none really qualify as self inserts.
Creators pets, Mary Sues, self inserts, call them what you like. But these characters are getting way to much screen time.
Seriously where the hell is muradin, a guy who had a hand in training Arthas. I can guarantee he will be absent in shadowlands, in fact dwarfs in general are ignored.
whats a dwarf? i didn’t even know we had any of those whatever they are.
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