After they’ve basicly turned out to be bad guys over and over and over again… Aside from gameplay and mechanics, why wouldn’t the alliance just Do something about the horde and their evil? I mean, at the end of BFA we’re left with the horde having comitted numerous crimes, yet never getting punished for it.
I remember there being said that there was morally grey but…sure feels like alliance good, horde bad every expansion. :x
Gameplay and mechanics. Ironically it is the very members of the Horde who should seek to dismantle the Horde even more than the Alliance. Since being forced to follow a blood oath to the Warchief forced these races to participate into a bloody and costly world war, twice in the last 5 years I might add. So really races like the blood elves or nightborne would be better off independent.
Conceptually factions do not make much sense at the moment with hopping from tension to peace within just 1 expansion. So, instead of a chapter in a story we get… I am not even sure how to describe it. Just a bunch of bits.
There is no significant ideological difference, or in any more practical aspects. We do not see different approaches to solve same problems, from something mundane like farms, to something more sophisticated, like education.
The most I can see is that the horde members start to ask questions about their past, and try to go differently into the future, where is the alliance is more about acceptance of the past and who they are. Not sure where will it go, though. But it’s a start at least.
TL;DR: neither faction make sense with the way they are portrayed so far.
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Wouldn’t sign that.
See this often in form of reletivatiosn and whataboutism.
But fact is and remains, that the Horde itself has been responsible for the most gruesome atrocities during basically all of WoWs lifespan.
So yes the only reason the Horde has not yet been dismantled and occupied is basically plotarmor due to gameplay reasons, as we don’t play a singleplayer game.
One can try to squeeze around some strange and forced reasons but they are more tyings to glue all the unlogic things togather.
In my opinion there would have been only 2 roads that made sense:
Yet we have just the negatives of both ways.
Well, we can take a look at it from a different side.
Let’s say, here is a new player. Someone who did not play wow before. So the question of a such player: “What’s the difference?”
And to be honest, I am not sure what to say. Are their goals all that different? Values? Day to day life? The joke about the alliance and “red alliance” did does not appear to be based on nothing.
Maybe that will be different, but I do not see why, say, 2 very arcane-aligned races, draenei and nightborne, would find the option of long-term collaboration impossible. And IMO the problem is - there should be one. Or, maybe more than one. And to be rather clear for the players.
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Historic reasons might be enough to explain the hatred for each other. But they sure as heck aren’t enough to explain why the factions manage to stick together over time. Especially if some of these historic hatreds would be just as strong within a faction.
Well simple put:
Alliance = The usefull idiot good guys who get to be punched in the face all the time and then forgive it just to present the other cheek
Horde = The genoicidal maniac evil guys who get to punch in the face all the time and then been forgiven about it and never ever see any consequences.
This is what it has been.
No amount of relativation and "but"s will change that. At the end it comes foen to exactly that.
Hence there are reasons why Alliance playerbase is basically non existant anymore in every single content of the game.
The Horde in Classic was a faction that was absolutely undesired to the point they had to add bascially alliance races to the faction.
After that there has been a steady flow towards that faction backed up by narratives that lets you feel as an Alliance player as if you are just a punching bag.
So simple put:
You chose between being the bully or being bullied.
Remember that quote of “Alliance get their fistpump moment too”? Well still waiting…
So that is what it looks like for new players and why no new player who does its research will chose to play Alliance.
That’s not supposed to be an argument to just drop the factions, because they can’t give them equally satisfying representation, is it? Because to me it sure reads like one.
Yes.
As I said, the faction thing doesn’t work out. Simply because it is an MMO where no side can truely win and Blizzard is appearently completely unwilling to write a story that is satisfying for both sides or at least alternatingly for them.
Hence I wrote there are only 2 real paths to continue and we get a mix of the bad things of both.
Factions should have been dismanteled after SoO and then war or rivality could have been done on smaller scales between the races and their interests like in classic.
It would have been the perfect moment for it.
Garrosh led the Horde into a genocidial war even without demon blood, leaving the Horde exposed as what it really is and thus should have been dismanteled exactly there.
With no Horde there would also be no reason to have an Alliance and this would have diminsihed then aswell.
Storywise, the Alliance is the defender of their lands against Horde aggression. A union against an external threat since the second war. “Preemptive defense” as such isn’t the doctrine as they generally militarily react to what’s being done to them.
To take and hold, being the aggressor has been the Horde doctrine and at around MoP, Alliance leadership changed course as the factions were tested ideologically. The Horde had to contend with itself against the logical extreme of its warmongering and the Alliance had to steer away from becoming the Horde. Varian ultimately rejected the idea of conquering the Horde and the Horde rejected its warmongering by appointing Vol’jin.
Later on, it seems mostly a matter of manpower and logistics with neither faction capable of destroying the other without outside help. BfA in particular hammers home the point of a manpower and resource shortage that the factions try to compensate with the azerite land grab.
On a meta level of narrative and design, the Horde is the iconic faction, the crowd pleaser and the main protagonist. Ever since Cataclysm, the larger story of the expansions have been a Horde story that the Alliance at best assists and at worst exists as an antagonist towards.
The larger story of the Horde facing its own past, rejecting the old wars and the trials of changing leadership has absorbed the WoW storytelling into a Horde story with the faction getting a majority of the content, quest choices and cinematics in BfA, and now we’re off to thwart yet another ousted Warchief in the afterlife while also reaching the end of the thread that was Vol’jin’s leadership, death and spiritual ascension.
If you want a practical answer to it all; simply destroying the Horde would destroy the Alliance as it’s held together in opposition to its eternal enemy. The political foundation and deference to the central authority of the High King has no place in a post-horde world and so a more cynical person might suggest that the Alliance chooses not to win out of self interest.
Because they can’t.
Because the story that ties Horde hands to the villain plot, is the same ones that has the Alliance unable to react to it as you want them to.
Because just as the Horde is written as going all evil, while simultaneously shooting themselves in the foot to avoid having them exterminate the Alliance, the latter is tied to a set of plot points that render them unable to follow through in the way you want them to.
The Alliance has not the power to end the Horde. They were on their last leg when Anduin scrapped together the remaining forces he had and marched towards Orgrimmar. Without the rebels aid the Alliance would have been defeated by the loyalist army and Sylvanas got what she wanted. So there you have it. The Alliance lacks the manpower to dismantle the Horde. Easy as that.
This.
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^ Pretty much this. Alliance simply does not have the power to dismantle the Horde after BfA events. And Horde is also very weak itself. Neither can afford throwing fists at another at this time.
Turalyon seems to see things differently.
And we all know how blizzard seem to pull things and numbers out their butts all the time.
Intercontinetal ctapults.
The Horde does have that cannon that can totally level Stormwind from Azshara… Totally totally. Super totally totally.
No there isn’t yet since we kicked all of their important cities, leader, etc… They are only there for gameplay mechanics and to make tapestry and get kicked over and over again 
Yeah right, that canon that can implose and erase Azshara yeah, like naything goblenoid would work pfff, why don’t they try it if it is so sure to work ? Because they are so stupid they woud blow themselves and probably one of their hordes cities with it 
So the alliance revenge on destroying the UC, invading Dazaralor and killing the king is nothing to you?
I have seen alliance snowflakes demanding in the forum, but this makes you one of ther most special snowflake units.
Did horde get any revenge on alliance when your arthas destroyed the sunwell?
Did horde get any revenge when your jaina buthcered the whole dalaran and purged even unarmed civilians?
There is a lot more than that, that as always you alliance snowflakes find excuses to justify your crimes.
What happens to horde has nothing to do with alliance.
When Sylvanas that have hurt you SO MUCH in BFA returns, WE horde will get our Siege of Stormwind that blizzard rightfully owes us since MoP and now 1 traitor out of 3 is dead. Less help from your alliance lapdogs inside the horde this time.
Why you throw Horde in there? Back then helves were fighting against the Horde.