Is Warrior doomed without a healer..?

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So, I have this lvl 60 Warrior… :sweat_smile:

I am mostly a solo player, and I mostly love doing World PvP, or BGs because it isn’t as “team dependent” as Arena. But I keep hearing that “Warrior REQUIRE a healer to babysit them to do well”…

I keep having this voice in the back of my head saying "That can’t be true… Surely they didn’t make a class that gets beaten by EVERY OTHER CLASS if it doesn’t have a healer with them…?"

I tried giving up Storm Bolt to gain the Impending Victory talent, to help on my self-healing. However it just feels like a big sacrifice. Almost as if Warriors are getting the finger for wanting a teeeeny bit of survivability.

From what I can tell as well, Fury is considered the… “Use it to play solo content, but don’t you dare take that into PvP with other players because it’s trash!”.

And Arms is considered to be “The GOD spec for PvP!!! But absolute trash without a healer.”.

So I’m a bit conflicted hehe :sweat_smile:

Personally, I think the Ignore Pain and Impending Victory are great defensives. And combined with our two major def CDs and utility (thinking mostly Arms here), we should do great against other classes 1v1…? Or am I just completely off track here? :sweat_smile:

Based on what I hear others say about Warrior, it feels as if the BEST case scenario is to play a mediocre Fury Warrior, while Ret Paladins are just cruising around being unbeatable. :neutral_face: Not to mention that Warrior feels forced to pick Necrolords for Fleshcraft. to make up for their lack in self-healing, while Pallies see covenants as a free buffet, and can just pick whichever gives them more dmg.

I like the idea of Warrior because of it’s fantasy, especially Arms because of its playstyle, and it’s ability to collect nearly all weapon MOGs in game. But apparently… if I’m not interested in playing “as a team” with other players, I will “have a bad time”… :confused:

And with the new solo queue being tested out in 9.2, I am SUPER stoked to jump into some brawls! But I get the impression that Warrior will get ****** in there. :sweat_smile:

So really my question is… Will I just get trained around by every other class in the game, if I wanna play solo…? :man_shrugging:

I am looking for people with ACTUAL experience as a Warrior to answer hehe. :slight_smile: Otherwise my post will get “useless noise” mixed into my decision to go Warrior or not.

Thanks!

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I personally like fury for battlegrounds because there is some self healing, arms for arena and either fury or prot for instances. I haven’t played properly since the start of shadowlands so I might be a bit out of date.

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Thanks for the reply. :blush: So from what I can read, your idea of Warrior pretty much confirms what I heard as well hehe. :slight_smile: Arms IS the better PvP spec, but only with a healer babysitting them, and Fury would be the spec I would need to play as a “solo player”… Even for PvP.

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Based on the lack of Warriors with actual gameplay experience replying, I will conclude that people play Warrior because they don’t mind the fact that it is a “team class”. Warrior performs godly in teams, but will stay mediocre as a solo class. Not “bad”… Just “mediocre”. And I don’t wanna be stuck knowing that I could be playing something better suited a solo playstyle. :slight_smile:

It makes sense I guess, that Warrior was made to be a team focused class, since even the talents “punishes you” by taking away your only stun, if you go with survivability instead. Where as ANY other class in the game, still maintain a stun if they go the “solo build” talent route hehe. :sweat_smile:

You could argue that picking a race like Tauren, still has a stun because of their racial. But it’s a 2min CD and feels more like a “hack” than a playstyle hehe.

I will level a new Dwarf Paladin instead. :slight_smile: Warrior is not meant for players like me, so I will put the final nail in the coffin, and leave Warrior alone. Unless I ever for some odd reason get really excited about only doing PvP as a “team”. :joy:

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Well arms was good on it´s own in duels or solo pvp from wotlk to MOP, when WOD pre-patch came, arms was gutted from all it´s survivability up until now, and no one knows why.
Yes it´s the worst dueling and solo pvp spec in game currently, but it really shines with a healer in arenas and rated bgs.
Unfortunately, if you want to play solo, currently, fury is the way to go buddy.

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My problem with warrior class is the resource generating.
Back in the days of tbc, wrath and cata warrior generated rage by two ways.
1: Doing damage.
2: Taking damage.
And thats why warrior was so dangerous with a healer. They used to generate toncrap of rage when getting focused, But right now since we don’t generate rage from damage we take its kinda different.
We are still scary but not like before.
Sometimes i miss the old warrior class.

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I heard though, that the main issue with what I’m seeking, is survivability and not “getting to your opponent”. :slight_smile: That you “just need to outlive a Warrior to beat them”.

I have searched the internet thin, and EVERYWHERE people say “Pally > Warrior”.

And it would just be nice to know if we are talking:
Warrior 2/10 and Pally 10/10…
Or
Warrior 8/10 and Pally 10/10…
:sweat:

Because I know “min-maxers” tend to see a 5% difference in performance as a huge ******* deal, that makes a class completely unplayable!

I have always wanted to play Warrior so I could collect most weapon MOGs in one class… But man… Not at the cost of getting ***** slapped around by any other class where the player only pays half attention…

It is guides like this one, that makes me never wanna consider Warrior again. :joy:

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goes back in time 16y ago

  • Warrior requires healer -

Countless posts and answers on that subject.

16y l8r

  • nothing changed, if a bit of survivability

It is what it is. Honestly.
Im the last to reply i that way but, get used to it. It’s always been like that and it will stay that way till WoW servers release the last breath.

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Well the problem is not the class but i guess it comes down to gear. If you do not have versatility gear you will get shut down pretty quickly regardless of class.

Anyways, ARMS is not the best for duels or world PVP, but it certainly is nothing to ignore. It can cause plenty of harm.

I personally would never switch out of storm bolt.

If you want more duel oriented spec maybe try fury, it has got a lot of sustainability but its not the meta.

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And I would also add that switching to a class that seems better does not mean it will automatically be better for you.

To truly give a class some chance you should try it out and get all the needed conduits and get some renown, get versatility, get a good legendary, get some enchants and so on… just play it and try to get better at it.

Believe me I was there… went from priest because i saw they were OP and always slapped me, to hunter because of the same reason, to rogue… again… because of the same reason and now im here. And let me tell you, this approach does not work :smiley:

There will always be better geared players and ganks and situations that would need a miracle for you to win. World PVP is certainly not great for comparing which class is good and which is not.

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warrior is a brainless faceroll class, just roll your face across keyboard and stuff will die.
you don’t need an IQ or a healer.

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Spoken like someone who has never played Warrior in solo PvP themself. :joy: The post isn’t about PvE mobs. :stuck_out_tongue: In solo PvP this statement couldn’t be more wrong-

Fury Warrior is a decent open world solo PvE spec, but if you don’t have a healer then both Fury and Arms will get demolished by a equally skilled player using ANY other class.

In solo PvP Warrior has barely any dueling utility. You literally have to pick between a stun or healing as a talent, where with other classes stuns are baseline. Additionally, they can only heal by hitting something, which is near impossible since they are the EASIEST class to kite in the game.

Looking at the class spells and talents you can clearly see that Warrior is designed for “team content” where you have a healer. Warrior is EXTREMELY good on team based PvP which is why you see Arms on the leaderboards so much, but if you plan to do solo PvP then you should look for another class to play.

The ONLY reason you sometimes see Warriors kicking someones *** in duels/WPvP, is because the player is more skilled, or better geared. :muscle:

Is Warrior completely useless in solo PvP…? No, but it would be like digging a hole with a spoon while others use a shovel. Sure it’s “doable”, but why handicap yourself needlessly when any other pick is objectively better in solo PvP.

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Well yes and no. Overall Arms was god tier spec but it had to play with the healer and still has to.

Fury on the other hand with proper talents can be played with Ret or Enha in 2s.

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I’m new to Warrior. So far it feels like a glass cannon, healer is a must

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