hey all,
so after quite a while of on\off playing WoW, now coming back full throttle.
I came to realize I probably like both of these classes…
Maybe just a tiny bit leaning towards Warrior but not enough to make a decision.
So I guess it’s more about how the endgame is for each of these classes.
Which is a more viable class for raids specifically for DPS.
Who’s easier to get into different events or whatever is in store for the endgame - PvE wise (don’t care for PvP at all probably).
Hopefully I’ll get some feedbacks from people who mained both for enough time to shed some light on which of these should I pick
I completely disagree with Totemtoez, it’s easier to get into groups with a Rogue than a Warrior, and Rogue is far from useless, the only thing you don’t have as Rogue that could be meaningful in a pinch is offhealing. Rogue:
Has a lot of CC which is super important in m+ and not so much in raid, it is the tankiest DPS due to Feint and 2 immunities, can cheese mechanics with Cloak of Shadows, tank the mobs for 10 sec with Evasion, AoE Blind, long stuns, a group buff (Atrophic Poison is basically 3.6% permanent damage reduction for the whole group), has Tricks to help tank get aggro if needed, enrage dispell, Shroud for skips, etc etc.
Warrior:
Has a tank spec and that’s what you will be expected to play because you have very little utility in m+ compared to other DPS. In raids people won’t be as picky with the tank so you’ll get invited if you have the required ilvl.
Best you can do as Warrior DPS to help your team in m+ is Rallying Cry which got nerfed into oblivion and, very situationally if you play Arms, Taunt/Intervene + Die by the Sword to help your tank but that’s gonna get you killed in random pugs because people don’t expect it.
You have some CC as well but not the greatest, very shot duration on the stuns (4 for ST and 2 for AoE) and a fear which makes enemies run away and ninjapull so…
Definitely easier to get into a group with a Rogue than with a Warrior
PvP is dead but again Rogue wins and it’s not even close.
If you play with a team, than it doesn’t really matter. Rogue has more utilities but is more difficult to master and more fragile.
Fury has decent damage output without a complicated rotation but nothing over the top. Utility wise, Rallying Cry is barely a thing which can help, with the reshuffle you get a cone stun that is helpful but nothing crazy.
Multi target is limited due to target cap for both classes.
If you want to PUG only, roll a monk or mage. The first one has 3 different specs so you are viable most of the time. The second has never been bad in M+ and will most likely never will be (tons of utility and dps).
The real benefit of the Fury Warrior is that you’d have the option to tank, which will make any pug content readily available to you at any time of the day.
Fury is currently in a better (tuning) place than Outlaw and significantly easier to play. If you play rogue, you probably want to play Assassination.
Thank you, my issue with monks is that it doesn’t use the actual weapon. And I love slashing with dual swords or katanas in games.
Don’t think there’s a single skill for monk where he actually uses his weapons
like what?
mass blind as a disrupt is okish but has too long cd.
kidney is a major dps loss and hardly used
cheese mechanics only for himself usually.
rogue has good def cds but they are all active mitigation and requirrs input, which sometimes is not possible to predict when you get smashed.
tricks is great for snapping which people dont do in pugs, besides that is might as well not exist as tanks generate plenty of aggro.
enrage dispel is tied to shiv, no? at least for assa you cannot actively use it.
shroud isnt really game breaking since bfa anymore.
generally you can expect rogues to be very squishy in pugs and they require heal because they have no real selfsustain.
if played poorly the dps is awful and because that is the general consens, it will be harder to get into a group than fury.
fury is so brain dead easy to play that you at least can expect to get a decent dps and also due to passive healing fury needs little baby sitting.
i rather invite fury than a rogue, but neither is a fan favorite
AoE Blind has 1 minute cooldown, Intimidating Shout has 1.5 min CD and makes enemies ninjapull.
Kidney is a very minor DPS loss, it’s literally just 1 global and you can stun for 6 seconds a caster if you’re short on interrupts, and there’s also Cheap Shot which is a spammable stun that gives combo points and has the same duration as Warrior’s 30 sec stun lol.
Yep, but Warrior doesn’t even have that for himself.
That’s skill issue, the point is that you have the buttons, whereas Warrior doesn’t.
There are classes that have a lot of instant aggro like Havoc DH, Ele Shaman, etc and tanks with very low initial aggro like Guardian Druid. so having Tricks is very good not only for snaps which I agree are niche.
Assa has 2 charges and you only need 1 for your burst windows, so you can use 1 for damage and save 1 if you need to dispell.
Agreed, especially when there’s invisibility potions, but still comfy to have.
Again skill issue, it doesn’t matter if you have buttons if you don’t use them, like I said earlier the point is that Rogue HAS the buttons and Warrior doesn’t.
I’ve seen Fury Warriors only using whirlwind and never use the charges, so again, skill issue not related to the class.
That’s you preference of course, you must have had bad experiences with Rogues but being 100% objective Rogue is infinitely better.
i didnt argue that warrior is worse
both classes are bot great to pug was the initial premise
spaming cheap shot is only working if you blow a 2min cd, no? outdide of sub rogue.
now that stormbolt can hit 3 targets, i think it isnt that bad and also they still have access to shockwave?
i am not up to date with warriors currently.
depending. I mean we had bosses in the past that targets players without reaction time, so there goes skill out of the window.
besides i cannot rely that people i invite have any sort of skill.
we are not talking about super high keys here, we are talking about pugging probably up to +10
and community perception will lead the eay that most rogues play like garbage because dpsing and staying alive is more difficult.
i am not arguing that a top rogue player offers more than a top fury player.
Yes, I was only referring as a perspective of which class will give you the most options to PUG.
My advice would be, take both classes to 80 and then pick your favorite. It will allow you to also switch during the expansion if you get tired or wants a different playstyle.
Fury has a decent dps right now, but again lack of utility for M+. The talent tree is not meant to allow a lot of personal choices, I would for example love to take Wrecking Throw in some dungeons, but it means loosing on dps output which is my only interesting input for M+ groups.
It’s unfortunately the same for other utilities, and shows how Warrior is outdated compared to other classes in M+.
From this discussion it sounds like you should play what you prefer.
Neither are top for pugs so it comes down to personal preference.
I know I made my choice
Outlaw is the tankiest spec in the game, barring potentially broken dk survivability right now. ~30 sec cd on 10 sec of evasion and perma feint is easily the tankiest class in the game. Ppl will drone on and on abt mages being tanky and meta, but outlaw is def the tankiest, esp when it’s avoidable and (nerfed now) vers stacking.
bro have u ever played a rogue in hard content? id rather use a kidney than cheap since u can kidney for 1cp and dont have to use a stealth global on cheap. It doesnt cost damage unless you use it unintelligently.
