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Extremely squishy in PvP
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No burst if not Night Fae
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Very weak ST DPS in raids and M+ if you go AoE build, other classes can go ST build and still match your AoE DPS
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Least represented class in arena
C’mon, chop-chop, Blizz
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Very weak ST dps in raid or m+ learn to play then m8 because you clearly doesnt know how to play, first of HDH arent weak not in the least, they have been nerfed yes but weak not in a million, they are mediocre atm would i like to see buffs yes. The problem with DH is that their best ST legendary drops in the raid and for other classes in a stupid dungeon or from thorgast.
I’m a cutting edge player, I don’t think you’re in any position to tell me to learn to play, mister lvl 50 monk.
Go troll elsewhere.
Very weak ST dps in raid or m+ learn to play then m8
We’re only ahead of Warriors on DPS so yeah very weak dps. Don’t believe me, check logs.
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This is clearly on purpose. Blizzard did EVERYTHING they could to gimp havoc for SL.
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I mean this was to be expected.
- they’ve been squishy in PvP since prepatch so 3 months not a year. They’re squishy yes but most people playing DH are so used to being unkillable that they forget that the best defensive is mobility and DH have a lot ( they could use a buff in pure defensive cds department though)
- yes
- that’s how a lot of classes felt Vs DH for a lot of BfA ( not an excuse just a reason why they were nerfed in blizzard’s logic)
- least represented does not mean too much. I won’t bring statistics here because 99.9% of people don’t know how they work ( they just know the mathematical formula at best), but in this case DH happens to be on the weaker side of pvp
Overall I think it’s partially your fault if you’re disappointed. I mean blizzard did a horrible job at DH in all shadowlands beta that is for sure, but considering that it was guaranteed that once again DH would be the most susceptible to number tweaks because : - almost 0 talent rework and nerf the only viable ones.
- way too few abilities that do too much. You nerf one part of it, if you don’t add a new ability or bake it into a talent, then you get gutted.
- 1 DPS spec only.
Those three core issues mean that DH was flawed since its inception and that DH lovers will always be flowing with blizzard’s will, until it gets fixed.
DH is just a failed class concept. A shame as I was a sucker for wc3 DH and was expecting to finally find my home in wow classes, but they just couldn’t be bothered creating a whole class that functions without borrowed powers, and they couldnt care less about the fun aspect of the class.
If only they added DH in tbc 
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Damn dude, i coulden’t agree more with you, your sh1t is on point.
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It also reduces your damage to 0 whereas other classes can heal without doing damage. Also good luck kiting ranged.
Of course it does. You see this in every competitive game. Strong picks are popular. Always.
So even fewer excuses for that one to suck
It does. Kiting ranged is much easier than kiting a melee though ( except ret or stuff like this).
Yes. But strong picks can also be unpopular. Let’s not waste time talking about statistics it takes 5 years of advanced mathematics to start really understanding and discussing statistics in a rigorous way and unless you did that, I doubt we’re going anywhere interesting. ( Yes my major is maths so if it’s yours as well, of physics, feel free to PM me I’d love to talk more about it!)
I agree, but that’s not how it works. (Sadly!)
Overall I think you misunderstood me, maybe you didn’t have the patience to read my whole post or I wrote it poorly. I pointed out what I feel are inner flaws of DH. I’m not saying they’re currently fine. I’m just saying that by design, you should really expect your spec to make ups and downs until what I feel are core issues get fixed.
I do agree DH need some tuning for this xpac but a small rework mid xpac would be really welcome, and a complete overhaul of the spec ( or add a new one) next expansion would be great as well.
It really doesn’t, though. Representation is directly tied to power. Power goes up, representation goes up. Case and point DH which is now the bottom class in PvP, where last expansion it was doing somewhat better, while also being stronger. You can see this every season with every class. And you don’t need a degree for it.
But they’re doing nothing. A band aid system would’ve been to keep boosting damage. We don’t need a rework overnight. But we need that damage NOW, because the class is missing the whole raid tier.
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Powers goes up, representation goes up. Yup that is definitely true. Now factor in this :
- what if we study the wrong “part” of the population? ( Sorry don’t know the word in English hope you get what I mean otherwise I’ll lookup)
- what if your power is really high but something completely countering you has higher power and is everywhere around you ?( Very much like an electron could interact With a magnetic field despite its initial celerity )
- what if you have initially a low representation throughout the population?
All this won’t affect that representation will go up as power goes up, but it can slow it down really much.
We’re lucky though, this is not the case as the moment as DH is low represented only because it’s lackluster. But sometimes it won’t be that easy! ( And I’m probably missing a ton of parameters as well)
Yup that is sad and i hope you get the buffs you want soon! But only the spec is missing the tier, vengeance is doing fairly well so at least there’s that.
And yeah you don’t need a rework overnight, sorry I’ve let my own dreams pour into my publication, because damn it I’d love to enjoy the gameplay of my DH as much as I liked it in wc3
Edit : happy new year
What is the ‘wrong part’ exactly? There’s no reason to believe one particular class has worse players than the other.
If you’re saying there’s one class countering DH, then we’d still climb because we’re supposedly so strong otherwise.
If there’s multiple classes countering DH than just supports the notion that they’re too weak.
Last expansion DH was among the more popular classes, outnumbering Rogues, Shaman, Monks.
This expansion they’re all gone. This is not a coincidence. People stopped playing because everyone knew DH will be 
from the Beta.
Power = Representation. People won’t stick with a sinking ship.
Happy new year
I meant sample*
All those were just hypothesis that will often impact the outcome of statistics. There are many more impactful and that would require much more than 3 lines to prove them wrong/right. But! that is the reason discussing statistics here is useless to me, not that you ar stupid in the slightest, you just don’t have the knowledge to treat the data you receive.
Wish you the best and hope DH gets buffed soon so you can enjoy the game again
Gz for being a Cutting edge freak now, i said they are mediocre you wont be in top 5 dps spot so whats the big deal imo that doesnt say that they are bad, warrior in the other hand and i mean Fury is, my friend does quite good in dps he isnt in the top 5 but he isnt bad either so ye dont be stupid and clearly you arent a good HDH then.
And I told you being behind every class isn’t mediocre. And that’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.
Dunno I think my logs are pretty decent.
Now how about you stop trolling class forums that you have no business being in?
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