Not so fun, today did +16 and lock,mage did like 70k overall with 5 interrupts on fortefied, I believe OP and understand really well. Sounds like its over, since many players can’t even do VP in the last week of S2 lmao
m+ is dying because it’s a toxic system and will be dead soon with only 100k active chars left probably a few seasons later from now. what you’re telling is about tuning and if they release it like that it’ll get fixed in a few weeks. VP & NL were horrible in first week of s2 , people still did them just like they’ll do these & eventually a new tuning will be released. m+ has bigger issues than elite mobs
nah - you are overexagerating.
i did a lot of dungeons in wolk classic over last 3 days and its 10 times more toxic then m+ in retail are.
I was talking to a guildie about toxicity earlier, and he was saying most of the toxicity in M+ is in the 16/17 key range. It’s when you get less experienced people who are still learning at that level mixing with people trying to do fast vault keys. Goals and expectations are very different and that can cause conflict.
Most (not all) of the toxicity disappears when you get past +20 because everyone is there for the same reason.
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Well, we all better give up and not try it then.
And for some reason, some people refuse to accept their ceilings. Basing on forum topics here, people understand that not everyone will be CE, not everyone will be an arena gladiator, yet when it comes to m+, all of a sudden some are screaming for a +20 inv and vault like it was their human right. 
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Dear God you’re like a stuck record. M+ is one of the most successful aspects of wow. If you don’t like it stay away from it - no need to keep bleating your uninformed hopes in every thread.
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oh your welcome to try it . just dont expect to get far 
i dont know what bracket your playing but if your not within the top 0.1% of the player base your not getting that far .
and even in that brakcet what ever you’re in it wont be fun at all , maybe you had fun ( lets say for example pugging 20s ) in current season , in the upcomming season you might spent a whole day just to get passed the first quarter of everbloom or darkhearth .
If it is like that they will change it. Isn’t this blindingly obvious?
Lol. Just play pala tank if you’re so worried about kicks. DH may be the meta but it’s for damage.
I’ll be doing 20/22s no problem this season
Some of the people replying to you don’t play M+ even nearly as much as you… Don’t get baited… Forums will be full of people complaining in the first few weeks. What you said is something I already predicted long ago the first time I did dawn. Dawn of the infinites on tyrannical for M+ will have extreme difficulty for pugs. They will nerf that dungeon to oblivion anyway
Yeah, but I also don’t like their approach of releasing content very hard and then nerfing it. I won’t quit over it though, but what he says sounds realistic
This may sound silly but I’m not sure they know how to tune it.
Who goes on the PTR mostly? It’s the 3.6k-4k players and they smash that stuff. Blizz looks at the metrics and realises 99,9% of all runs at 20 are timed and thinks its a bit easy.
The people at lower skill levels are completely under represented. It takes a while for Blizz to realise that “normal” people are going to be unable to complete Everbloom because of the 3 mobs before the 2nd last boss or whatever.
Then it gets tweaked until its where Blizz intend. Thats why this doomer attitude is so dumb, if packs are casting so much that they perma farm groups or if you could do 22’s this season and next season you can’t get past a 12 then of course they are going to fix it.
Yes, it would be better if its perfect out of the gates but the Blizzard that released stuff ready out of the box died a decade ago.
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Yeah ofc I agree that it’s just gonna be bad at the start. It does sound excessive though this season with how much they need to nerf. It also is a bit annoying, when things get nerfed, after you’ve put in effort and learnt the mechanics.
Not what I’m asking for though. I’d rather have them risk it being a little too easy than too hard personally, but then not nerf it afterwards. For example right now season 2 is an absolute joke in terms of difficulty, but when it released initially, I know it was kind of hard. Vortex pinnacle in the first 2 weeks was very challenging for example, but now it feels like fighting target dummies
its a nice idea , probably the mandatory tanks for this season , but still wont cut it . 2nd boss of everbloom on its own is a nightmare even if you have a prot pally that can just solo the boss to some extent .
on a 25 i did before PTR shutdown our disc priest was pumping 150k sustain hps ! 150k thats like crazy level of healing and we bearly survived that . the charge from the big guy was a one shot and i was on a blood dk which is among the better tanks againts magical dmg . overall this season will be a nightmare dont get your ego up to soon about i be doing 20-22s no problem .
atleast not till you farm some gear . unless your really good and among tops so , in that case you will be fine .
Have you been tanking +25 keys or higher on live? I’m not sure exactly what the difference in difficulty is, but bear in mind that the same level key on live in 446/447+ gear is going to feel easier than on the PTR in 440 gear.
Tbf M+ is a complete joke this season. The achievement of 2500 is not comparable to mythic sarkareth or gladiator. Blizzard should definitely make it way harder anyway. It’s weird that +25 is considered easy in the community. +25 should be unpuggable
Maybe. I’ll just have to try. I watched dorki play BDK and it was getting melted.
It’s joever
You mean blizzard decade ago was good at balancing games?
that’s a good joke.
Anyway the only time when blizzard was good at balancing things out of the box was… ehm… oh never
i disagree , season 2 of bfa was perfectly tuned out of the gate . atleast the m+ it was , iknow prot warr was op iknow about outlaw those are classes . im not talking about those before you mention it