It's time to bring back MoP/WoD demonology as a 4th spec

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it’s not that hard - hire me I’ll code it and balance it for you blizzard in a week max

state of warlock is absolutely depressing you have this “master/meme summoner” spec but it can’t summon a doomguard which some dumb ogres can do at will dating back to dire maul

every second I spend playing any of my warlocks it saddens me how amazing this class used to be - not just demo of course, but it’s been hurt the most you can safely say the entire MoP/WoD version of that spec got deleted and for what? to have DHs be unique? they would still be unique even if they had kept old demo at bay because it played absolutely nothing like demon huntards as they are melee and we were even in metamorphosis ranged casters I love how it’s only allowed for them to use Metamorphosis/Hellfire/Immolation Aura if that makes any sense then let’s just give all warlock abilities to DHs and delete warlocks as a whole because both classes do similar things

how is it that such a big multi-billionaire company can’t do such a simple thing? I honestly don’t understand - the only explanation is they just don’t want anybody to have fun in this game blizzard are just the most disgusting game company out there holding such an extremely amazing IP and wasting so much of it’s potential for… nothing

screw Ion

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Try and get your opinion across without insulting people. You immediately disqualify your own feedback in their eyes when you do.

That being said.
I agree. Unfortunately I only got into demo in late MoP and WoD so I never got to play it as much as I would have wanted to.

There’s no other playstyle to this day that has managed to replicate what demo did and it’s very sad. The demonology we have now feels like a different shade of affliction with dots being replaced with demons. On top of that it had a steep skill floor and a very high skill ceiling - Unlike many other specs that are competitive now.

It’s even more insulting to me that the closest you can get thematically, are demon hunters, which is such a based class that really has nothing interesting going for it in gameplay.

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Shadow priest is almost identical in style of gameplay to MOP/WOD demo.

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Yeah I thought so too when looking at what they were doing for spriests in Legion, but that’s not true. I played shadow priest for this exact reason and honestly the only thing that’s similar is how you build up a resource in order to blow your load.

If demonology was just that, it wouldn’t be missed and disenfranchised demo locks would just play spriest.

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mop/wod demonology is what i miss the most from wow !it was indeed the best spec they made! sadly they removed it completely instead of making summoner lock as 4th spec…

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as if my opinion matters in the first place LMAO there’s probably 50 people tops in the entire community that want this glorious thing back and the devs don’t even read the EU forums also how can you NOT insult people like that? multi-billionaire company doing everything they can to gimp classes in the game in favor of people with 5iq that can’t comprehend the idea that not every ability is necessarily a part of their rotation or other excuses - Idk why people whine that I’m speaking in a more aggressive way to people who, in the eye of anyone who has enjoyed metalock for half of the entire game’s lifespan when it got removed, deserve it

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yeah I don’t blame you, I’ve done this myself before. Don’t mistake my comment for an attempt at schooling you. If you just wanna vent that’s fine of course.

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They literally need to scrap talents that are never picked and put Metamorphosis as a talent in one of the rows. I honestly dont understand how anyone could like this new Demo?
It seems to me we’re summoning less and less demons every expansion.

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Yep, in fact you’ll actually find a lot of people who played demo back then are now shadow priests. Including me for a while. I do enjoy the new demonology and getting fat tyrants and literally vaporising stuff, but I do miss old demonology too.

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I may sound a bit rough, but Spriest can go and do something else, Warlock deserve so their well earned 4th spec MoP/WoD demo was returned to US.

I find it quite infuriating when good, and well designed ideas just rip out from Warlocks and give it to the other classes in more polished ways.

Why am I - The Demonology Warlock should play as broken/unfinished puppeteer class, when Demonology very core design was riped from us and gave to the SPriest?

I don’t remember that i was a demo-tester warlock. I would be happy if current demo will go away, until it will be rebalances/redesigned, provided with good ingame code/tech background to be well implemented in the game and only after that, returned to the warlocks as 4th spec, while old demonology will come back as normal DEMONOLOGY.

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well, how not to insult blizzard, those servants of red chinese comrades :stuck_out_tongue:

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You know, for me it’s became harder and harder to address some Blizz issues without directly insulting them.

And you know what? It is not my problem, it is their problem that THEY has failed warlocks in this Xpac, it is their problem that they has done nothing to megitate some of negativity.

Right now, warlocks have every right to be angry, and express their anger in the way they see fit.

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It as 4th spec would be amazing.
and then Current demology expanded in more powefull but fewer amounts of demons.

With lot more options for perma pets. And big Cd(s) of summoning.
Like Pitlord/doomlord(like kazzak)(can be 1 of the 2 and other a glyph) as our version of Army of the Dead. Or even Felreaver/dreadlord aswell.

Having Felord as CD(like 3-5min one simelair to valky and fire/earth elementals)

Doomguard,terrorguard,Infernal and Abyssal back as perma pets and Midtime cds(3-5min). And Felreaver glyph/talent as better Abysal.(aslo could have fel corrupted arcane golem as glyph)
Could have Jailer,ansari(spider lady demons) More eredar we could Summon.

Having multiple pernament pets as a option. More in Succubus/shivara aswell and less Imps and Dreadstalkers.
Or like demons do more dmg but they loose hp on each hit,maybe it even increases so can health funnel to keep around longer but not forever(if could have BIG dps cd’s pernamently it would be kinda broken)
Or even way to build up and empower Certain ones you like.
And not having Felguard be bascily only pet worth using for damage.

Like Felguard -> wrathguard -> Fellord
Infernal -> Abyssal -> Felreaver
Succubus -> Shivara-> Anarsi
imps -> Fel imps
Dreadstalker -> The fel corehounds.
Doomguard -> Terror Guard-> Doomlord.

Pitlord/Felreaver/Doomlord/Dreadlord as Big Cd’s(could be any of them baed on what choose to empower or just glyphs) or all be shared cd’s with having each some utlity,like Felreaver Aoe,Dreadlord CC,Pitlord can Tank better,Doomlord Bursts better.

and Outside Cd’s self the big ones (Pitlord/felreaver/doomlord/Dreadlord ) could aslo require a big chunck of Health(like 30-50%) and Cant have Other demons Out while theyre out as you need all your focus/energy to maintain Control Over it.

Option for 2/3 Perma demons ,and any that isnt PItlord/felreaver/doomloard/dreadlord as pernaments

Just having More Demons and more of the Powerfull Ones instead of just imps is what Demo Imo should be About. And just more ways to Build around the Demons you prefer so even if isnt same Dps,the others arent useless for damage.
(though with all demon types are and how could empower it it would work better/easier to present and all in old style talent tree then current with the rows)
Are plenty of Ways to Reinforce the Master of Demon summoners Aspect of Demology

OR unlock glyphs/apereances by enslaving certain Demons like Having eredar/eredar twins/jaraus/malchezar to replace your Big Cooldown Demon.

With old Demo as a 4th spec.

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I highly dissagree with this concept and design, i would preffer is we had more demons with unique abblities rather then have more tiers of the demons like Shivarra is better version of the Sayaad(Succubus).

Just by the lore, demons like Shivarra have diffirent abilities then Succubus, just like felhunters and observers.

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Can Have both aswell.
Some demons are just stronger versions of others.

ANd upgrades could be like that for demons self. And have different abilties but same kind of effect(doomguard line is ST dmg/burst)
Succubus line is CC. (seduction vs anarsi having web for slow/rooting )
Felguard is dmg and Control of field/healing reduction.
Infernal line is mainly aoe.
Imps ST dmg in large groups and sacced with impplosion.
Dreadstalker and corehounds have anti magic/interupt effects.

So the bigger demons are more powerfull but others still have use.

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Corehounds are elementals, but i got your idea.
Still we(warlocks) need more demons available as our main demons, not just rehash, repaint or just different skin of the existent ones.

If there should be a talent that upgrades our existent demons then this should change demons like imp to Fel-imp, voidwalker to voidlord and ETC, not Succubus to Shivarra.
I would preffer Shivarra to became deadly ST damage dealing pet with bleeds or fel DoTs as damage dealing abilities… look at Shivarra! This six handed bombshell has several swords, and in Lore they are exremely skilled fighters.

In the general, our demons need a serious rework to be viable, and i’m not saying aboyt numerical changes, i am talkin about chnges in their toolkit, like Succubus seduction should be changed to the mind control, and changes like this across all of our demons.

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Well Fel Corehounds(or just corehound model but fell themed mobs) where listed as demons(though could be just gameplay reasons like voidwalker/voidlord from players being it instead of abberations).
Else could be the Fellhounds like Felhounds of Sargeras instead.

Shivara could be Aoe bladestorm thats Better for sustain vs felguad/wrathguard/fellord having a good short aoe burst.
But both still have good ST dmg(shivara could maybe Cleave instead of being pure ST dmg). Like shivara is better up to 5targets and After Felguard line and Infernal do better for Aoe?(it should be best aoe though as its a cooldown and not perma pet generly,and as perma it should still be on par rhoughly atleast).

The Felhounds could have Aoe anti magic area with silence and interupt like the felstakers from Archimondes Fight.

Doomguard (and upgrades) Could have the increased Shadow dmg taken debuff it apllies aswell so it also aids Other warlocks/dps in raid . And if doesnt kill enemy can set up for burst from you or partner in PvP(like a spriest or a destro locks Chaosbolt doing lot more damage)

While Fellord Would be more Imeadte Single target Dmg with no Debuff.
But it aslo has the area denial like current pvp talent.
Aslo Fellord is melee vs doomguard ranged which can make the difference even if doomguard would have bit weaker dmg in PvP.(set doomguard up in ranged while succubus seduces/mind controls and Partnet with Shadow Dmg(and chaos dmg aslo counts) sets up Kill.

And Like Pitlord Could have stance where generatas lot of Threat (for enemy pets maybe but mainly PVE) that reduces dmg it takes and dmg it does but aslo Cleaves(so can aslo serve as dungeon emergency tank like Army of Dead Could)
. To serve as a Offtank for While And defnitly should have Hp comparably to that of a tank(so maybe + 25/50% of Your hp + the passive shield still?). or more aggresive where it does its full Damage but is easier Killed.

Dreadlord Could have A blind aswell and Healing debuff from Carion swarm.

Maybe Imp attacks(or Implosions) sets target on Fire so they cant stealth/go invisble for little while until wears of.

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