Its time to put an end on zerging

Because with this idea you actually make gearing feel “useless”, like "hey pls kick those 475 guys because it will make the boss harder for the other 5 ppl that are 440.

Why cant i have a normal speed run of the raid if I want to? Why after getting to 475 even the normal raid must feel like a chore?

Why not make even World mobs scale so have common mob have like 3 M HP so even the Mythic Raiders have fun iin wasting 3 hrs in doing WQ too that sound super fun really. /s off

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i already accept the fact its bad idea :rofl: just found that specific part of the game annoying.

Its 5 months in to a very long patch people by now want to relax and have some fun with the gear they have earnt .
The option to host your own raids 24/7 is there for you and invite people 15 item levels lower then gear dropping and ban addons from your raid .
Scaling is one of the most stupid and hated ideas ingame . The only time its been fun was for CMs in MoP and WoD.
You loling about it shows you didnt follow forum guidelines and read up before posting else you would have known how disliked scaling is.

Its impossible for me as well and as i said before you even answer it didnt take that long :joy:

You dont need frames to glimmer players, beacon tank and then holy shock dps.
How many HoT or buffs you have to watch from your class on a player? Not all classes work like that you know…

radden aint that complex, you mean you raid on carapace and you dont give a damn about who has the debuff that ticks them hard? Ho is fixated by the beam at the same time? hm…

Try playing a class that you have to have an uptime and refresh diff HoT’s buffs on a player/ers. Holy shock is 100% possible without a frame

you can always make your own progression group. instead looking for carry :slight_smile:

You need the same amount of debufs to lookout as any other healer with frames or not. I don’t know how many of you actually raid mythic with basic frames but the blizzard frames show up exclusively important debuffs first and foremost,what you can dispell and important based on the encounter.

You mentioned carapace you see the debuff on the normal plates,aswell as who is focused. Carapace is an extremely easy encounter in mythic compared to Raden which requires 2 teams of players set for dealing on every orb with 2 sets of mechanics,the complexity comes from dynamic assigning of roles. Since you have a pre-made team of 5 if one of them gets selected by the game to start the other mechanic you need a back up so weak auras provide the tool for dynamic assings in this case.

You’re the one twisting stuff.
Doing one over geared HC run literally once does not make you a raider.

I don’t over estimate how hard it is at all.

And you even contradict yourself.

And yet here you are in your own thread saying the raids are just zerged down.
So what is is, are raids being zerged or are they still difficult?

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Easy is relative. You cant zerg her by any means.

being a raider or not doesn’t matter when question was if i ever raided before. people just assumed that because i said to go to raider io i meant i have insane stats for some reason lol…
sorry i dont understand this association as one thing as nothing to do with another. if raid is difficult or not or needs to be zerged down because of it was never i topic i brought up i think… you kinda mixing what was a conversation between my achievements and why i dont have it with the topic of the post xD.

I said you’re not a raider.
I never said you’ve never raided before.
You’re changing the question to suit you.

You told me to look at your Raider IO to prove myself wrong, but it did nothing of the sort.

Yes, it is.
You’re saying zerging needs to stop.
But you also said HC is still difficult.

I think you’re the one getting confused.

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I think at this point its best to stop replying to him its an obvious troll save yourself some time .

It is probably my inability to configure the default frames. Before i got into dungeons i got into proven grounds, and there was some npc yelling for dispelling that was in no way visible. Had to install an addon, in my case elvui and my frames turned into a different color from there. I really had more than 20 tries in proven grounds. It was not visible. :man_shrugging:

And well, i do like mouseover-macros. The ones from clique that only work on frames and not somewhere in the field.

omg…
In what part im saying that, i said ‘’ you overestimate the difficulty of HC’’ im calling it easy, like overestimate, like more easier than you think, because i was trying to tell him i cannot get a proper group but the raid is simple to do.
and if im not a raider thats subjective , but i had no intention to call myself a highlevel raider by any means but the only boss i never trully killed in HC was nzoth, that means i have attemped this raid many times since release am i a proper raider? i think thats subjective. What you fail to see is that conversation came about on trying to discredit my opinion based on the false assumption that i never raid which of course i promptly show how stupid that point is.

but why need that gear anyway then? i’d imagine they want gear their character for some-sort of purpose and be it pvp or PvE - both being group content, i am sure their ‘mates’ would assist.

Now as for the other aspect - get gear to step higher, well. Thats what guilds are for, not random people. random people do not need to carry anyone. Also friends and guilds carry tends to be more efficient.

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Are we forgetting the drama around open world scaling and that your ilevel basically didn’t mean crap?

I’d rather, rather not have that in raids.

If you’re all for Raid scaling, why not just make a thread asking for mythic+ raiding? :clown_face:

The main problem is not the debuffs, its your class hots and buffs. How many you have of them and do you see them there? All i know you have is glimmer and beacon. Again, not all classes are like that.

Maybe, but my first kill on raden was below 100 wipes and my first and only kill on cara is on 139.

For example you do know how Rdruud mastery works, in your blizz ui can you track lifebloom/swiftmendHoT/Rej/Eflor/wild growth?
Can you track what defensive is being used on your allies?
Can you for example set your UI to show necrotic stacks number and duration?

Personally i found peace by using SUF and vuhdo.

I’d be down for that.

20% increased chance for an item to drop / drop with socket per lvl?

But you lose your raider+ key level after not timing that wing of the raid!
Sweet drama here we go :popcorn:

Oooh spicing it up.

I can already hear my raid leaders saying “stupid f**in” mistakes for the nTH time man!

But that is varying depending on how your guild manages the content ,if you have good individual players carapace should be easy since that’s what screws the kill but on ra’den you need the team to dance properly. For me cara was half of radens attempts but it varies alot for ex ilgy was some 3-9 pulls coming from alot of wipes on drest.

You can track i think 3 buffs? and honestly i do play other classes and i’ve never found the need to have more tracked even as a druid. You mentioned necrotic stacks i don’t need to track that as the healer,that’s how i feel about it since the tank needs to know about it know when to kite etc. if you feel like you need it to be tracked then that’s what custom frames and w/a are for. It’s not a necessity though.