Or maybe, hear me out, I know this might sound shocking to you but:
People might like the challenge not only for their mechanical difficulty but for the planning and preparation that are required to face and overcome the challenge itself.
There might be people that actually did like preparing their sets for those challenges.
So yeah, I know you are trying to make it sound illogical to fit your agenda, but it really isn’t.
It is fair people enjoy preparing their chars and being 40% stronger, of course. That is totally understandable. But those people should not make claims the MT is easy and the only problem is the one handling the keyboard. It is actually a lot gear and consumables.
I am even claiming i played worse the try i did make it over a lot of tries i didn’t. But i did use more consumables 
I think we underestimate how much people in general like to minmax. Even in TBC this is done while it’s not even needed.
If you CAN get stronger then why not take that option? Especially with the current tuning. People bashing others that use ‘cheese gear’ need to get their head out of the sand. Even with TW gear the mage tower offers a decent challenge.
I am currently just trying to investigate what is making chars stronger. I don’t understand a damn about old content/gear since i never played it. I prefer to find better SL gear 
The only item outside of SL i tried to get was a weapon in icecrown (which was already a 15 minute struggle to find the entrance), and apparently i was in the wrong difficulty (was on mythic), where the item i wanted was not even on the loot table. And apparently you are not able to change the difficulty at all anymore.
It is both. And some luck involved too. The extra gear just makes it more trivial. You can get the extra edge by using the stronger BFA flask, but even with normal flask and normal gear without socket and enchant abuse is managable.
I did the guardian one in PvP gear without trinket abuse, without any sockets or specific enchants and it was fine. I had like 30%+ hp left after being hit by 4th annihilate so it’s perfectly doable even with lower versa if you do it right.
Yeah some people will have their ego boosted and feel the need to troll others with stupid replies. What a surprise really, ton of people do that already with Mythic raiding, high rio or PvP rating nothing really new under the sun.
Plus the trolling goes both way since you have people trying to disregard others effort cause “ah you cheated using this, that, and busted item, I would have done it blindfolded if I had your gear, cheater”.
Honestly tho, it’s a middle ground thing, it is both preparation AND skill problems that lead to fail.
Probably the wrong way of going about it nerfing the only viable way of cheesing the encounter as you have stated using SoD Gear is an extremely tight fight at least for Destro.
There is no way Acti-Blizz can leave it in this state before 4th Jan, if they do alot more people are going to unsub because this is not a challenge this is an exercise of becoming a masochist.
Congrats m8!
Really? Do you eat ice cream with your forehead? This is a Legion event, specifically a TIMEWALK event, meaning, that it should, by all means, be as it was back then, being the only thing that changes is your character, which should be properly scaled for the event. None of that was done! Is it doable? Yes. By everyone? Clearly not. Why is it not doable by everyone, when Blizz said it would be, even in our current gear, or in a freshly dinged alt, or even at level 45? Because as usual, they messed up the scaling, big time, and they didn’t had to, because they had free testers (lol) that tested this for them in the PTR, and consensus was it was a challenge but it was doable. What’s the point of releasing this and have bosses with an increase of x3 of health?
You did the challenges? Good for you m8, as I stated previouls, congrats, you must be good. But because something is easy for you, or because you were able to do it, doesn’t mean everyone else finds it easy, and can do it. I mean, we can all write right? Doesn’t mean we’re all best selling authors (Just a stupid example, but I’m trying to reach you, get it?) When you have the general consensus on forums, that it’s way overtunned, from people that cannot do it, and even from the most people that have done it, it must mean that something is not right, but if you’re too thick to wrap that up, cannot really do anything else for you m8. Go on being you, and hope it works out 
Did try a few pulls on the elemental one on the first night. Got her to 60% in just a few tries so that one seems very much doable if u invest the time into it and just learn it. Good luck 
Why are people saying that prep is part of the challenge? The only thing you should prepare is study the mechanics, because Blizz didn’t mention anything about farming old gear, gems, consumables, enchants, etc, to be able to easily beat this. And even with all that, the only completely, retarded cheese event (without exploits like the Afflic Lock) I found was Fury Warrior with 2 crusader enchants. Now, on my server they’re selling 10k a pop (or were) so 20k just to cheese an event. Would I’ve been able to do it without it? Probably, but I was doing it before the extension, so I said screw this and got the enchants, did it 2 tries after getting them, doing the exact same strategy I was doing before. I tried the same with Havoc DH (so more 20k), and I gave up on it for now, it’s just not worth. Plus all the consumables, etc, who are being taken advatage on (completely understand it, as I would do the same) which are way way too much expensive.
I agree, too some extend, when you say that in the end the problem or factor is the person at the keyboard. But I already gave this example in another thread. It took Dratnos (don’t know if you know him) a full mythic raider, on full mythic gear, someone who barely messes up rotations, mechanics, etc, 3h to beat the Havoc DH challenge. Now we’re talking about someone who is highly skilled (with all the merit he deserves off course), and it took him all that to beat the challenge. How long do you think the average Joe will take? Point is, what we have now was not was advertised, and people are resenting that, rightly so imo.
Because this was the case since forever in WoW.
Enchant, gearing, consumables are being used for difficult content since forever.
The problem itself is how some items scale in nonsensical ways compared to others.
You’re right, for content of the expansion. Not for stuff like this 
Prep is part of most stuff in this game. Why should the mage tower be different?
Don’t get me wrong, its done badly but an hour of prep can give you 20% more stats, its not like theres an expectation to spend 4 months farming a bis set for the next rotation. An hour of prep isn’t a completely unreasonable ask if you feel you need the boost that old gear gives you.
We’re conflating many issues here, tuning, prep etc.
I agree, the tuning is all over the place, and mostly too hard. I spent hundreds of pulls doing the prot paladin one. (I like flying, dont ask 
) Mage, which I’ve not played in 3 years or so took me 2.5 hours and the ww one took me less than 60 minutes. I refuse to believe I’m a worse prot pala than a ww monk. I’m a decent tank, I’m a world quest ww player and healer on the monk. I mean, what the hell?
Nah I got the same experience. Kruul challenge is brutal and require a lot more awerness.
The first time I did monk challenge i left the worm full when killed the Tauren and almost killed it while enraged.
You literally just need to kick a cast while cleaving down the enemies, WW just trivialize all the other mechanics.
I’m currently on guardian druid, so I guess that makes two of us that enjoy flying 
I know you’re right, I just don’t agree with it. I my self tried to get some of the stuff, for instance the OP trinket from EN, but without luck this week. My only point is, this was not advertised as something one would need to prepare for, aside from knowing the tactics and all that, thus, it’s not correct that we would need to resort to preparation in order to make this easier 
Frankly, that’s a skill issue.
I don’t think said trinket is that OP btw, i have tried in on other classes but does not seem so broken.
It’s a good trinket that is for sure, but would not call it OP.
if youre on draenor kazzak or silvermoon thx for making me rich xD
I call OP simply because on Guardian druid for instance, you can pop it and ignore first wave of nether thingies, and just continue to burst on Boomkin. With luck you can get him to ~50% just by that - if this is the most correct tactic it’s another thing, but it allows you to do stuff like this. For the arms warrior one if helped a bit as well, as you have a lot of “down time” (#SlowAssSpec) so it’s around 15/20k damage in total just from the trinket.
But yes, I would call it broken per say, not so much as for instance the cruzader enchant, even after the nerf.