Make it permanent. Or make us buy a [Tome of Joy] for X amount of gold, which gives you the buff. Because atm leveling your alts is not a joy.
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There is no point in making it permanent. It serves as a hype wave amplifier tool for Blizzard before each phase of Wrath going live. Making it permanent would not make lazy player level up all their toons, but rather make them more lazy and topic like “increase JJ buff to 100%” will start to pop out.
No, plan your character or two for the next JJ before phase 4 and ICC. You can even finish last character that didn’t made it to lvl 80 during the buff like I did. Not playing an alt because JJ isn’t up is not an excuse, but prove that you do not need another alt.
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Just make WoW instant level 80, instant bis gear, instant gold cap.
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I don’t think 120+ hours of leveling journey have a place in modern times wow (even if it’s classic). For someone leveling an alt 10h/week this is basically 3 months. And ofc you still want to leave some gameplay time for your main (to raid, do few dungeons).
At the moment I am leveling a shaman alt, I usually play few hours/week with it, had few weeks when I didn’t touch it (got him today to 45lvl). I started that shaman on April-2 (now it is August-13). So at casual leveling speed it took me 4.5months to get 45/80 (ok to be fair, let’s get it down to 3months, since I was very heavily invested in the last PoE league for at least 1 month). Leveling an alt just takes forever. At my current tempo (raiding on main, also doing some m+ on retail chars) this shaman maybe will get to 80 on November-December. That is basically 8 months to grt a single alt from 1 to 80.
I mean I am having fun, combat ir wrath is satisfying, though I can’t say I can quest in classic zones for longer than 1hour at one go - I’ve already did that like 50 or 70 times.
Slow exp at this point brings absolutely no value. Well at least adding RDF for 1-70 would be a big help. 1->45 I only did 2 dungeons (1 deadmines and 1 stockade).
JJ is most important for classic part (TBC and wrath has enough quests to level-up). Classic though - you just jump from one continent to another, flying across the world left and right every level or 2. JJ+heirlooms actually enable you to stay in single zones and you don’t need to visit almost every single zone. You save a lot of time by avoiding all this pointless traveling across the world every 2levels.
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On August 24th the Classic Era Hardcore realm starts. Guess how long will it take to lvl up to 60 there? Yet people would still do it. The difference is in motivation. Current t9 is so short raid, that you have whole 5 days a week to lvl up alts while raiding on some alt as well. Super alt friendly, PUG able and casual friendly phase to get all loose ends tied up before ICC. Even Ulduar 25 is only done in HM for couple of bosses with skips in wednesday and then the rest is cleared in normals fir Valanir pieces for our guild’s 4th healer on Thursday. We might soon be skipping 10 man ToGC as well, only those with raiding alts attend it regularly.
Do I level alts? No I play Baldur’s Gate 3 after clearing ToGC on paladin and druid alts. Still have my Shaman at 65, Hunter at 70 and Warrior at 44 and second druid at 70. 7 lvl 80s of the rest of classes is more than enough for me right now. However when I needed a warlock I finished leveling her even without the JJ buff.
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You’d save even more time if you could create characters at level cap with bis gear, gold cap and all achievements unlocked. Just imagine how much TIME that would save.
True. And I would have zero attachment to that character. More so game would be full of FOMO players who would switch their mains every hotfix.
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That’s exactly what he wants.
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Are you sure? Why people like you just goes to the extreemes? I am genuinly interested in your way of thinking 
what makes you think I want to have a single click and have all bis gear? Really, tell me. Show evidence, etc. I never mentioned this.
But since you was the one who brought it - maybe you are the one who desires it? I never even thought of such a ridiculous proposal, yet you are bringing it up without quotes. So I assume you want to have a 1click bis button in the game? Just trying to put a blame on people who actually brings valid arguments
Asking to reduce leveling time from 150 hours to 70-80 is not the same as your desired “1click - bis gear” proposal but good luck, maybe you’ll get it 
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You guys bring up good points. And also some half-assed assumptions on why I would like it to be permanent.
I get that it’s a hypething before next phase - but for what it’s worth, it really doesn’t bring any more hype then there already is. My guess is that Blizzard is bringing instant lvl 80 boost for ICC, so they can milk some more cash from the players that want to try to defeat Lich King. On the other hand, if JJ would be permanent or could be bought for your alt, you could level your alts between phases - right when you start raidlogging with your main.
I get that in Classic Era servers leveling takes a looong time - but that is part of the thing there, especially in hardcore. In wrath leveling seems more like a chore that has to be done, so you can start playing the game.
For the reason that I would like to have JJ permanent is simple - I’m leveling a second lock because I enjoy the raiding aspect of it and want to practice it more than once a week. Leveling atm seems like a waste of time, since we all know that JJ is coming back at some point or another. Oh, and it’s my 8th lvl 80, so it’s not that I’m talking bout this on my 2nd or 3rd character.
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How is classic hardcore era is connected to wrath classic? These 2 are entirely different games with very different intent.
You are comparing banana to troctor here.
It sounds as ridiculous as I would say “in retail wow I can level 1-70 in 20hours” - yet people still do it. You see how it is not comparable?
Leveling in wrath is to slow. We are already past #nochanges phase (balance tuning of retri, wow token, H+, H++, essences shop, …), we are no longer playing the old woltk.
That is because Classic ERA that HC would be based on uses almost same old world content for 1-60 as Wrath 1-60 only Wrath has cut of in required exp in Classic 1-60, introduced in TBC (around - 33%) and TBC content 1-70 required exp is also cut with Wrath release. Add heirlooms - 20% on top of that and occasional JJ buff - 50% and you get pretty same numbers required to reach the lvl cap from 1-80 as you did in Era with 1-60. Oh and do not forget those sweet lvl boosts Blizzard are offering for the bots and players alike.
Retail is completely different matter. I have left it in the start of BfA so I only know how leveling was back then. Had main VE warlock finished BfA leveling camping at lvl 120 cap while all of the rest of the characters of all classes were lvl 110 since Legion end that gave me high hopes for the future of WoW. I did tried Dractir leveling but barely got out of lvl 60 during free weeks in start of this year. I even got DF most complete edition on summer sale, however Wrath and now Baldur’s gate 3 consumes all of my free time.
Maybe I would start Hardcore Era leveling, however if no Wrath transfers would be available compared to Season of Mastery 1 realms I see no point of making more than 3 tries there. I would prefer 1-60 leveling on HC than 1-60 with Wrath heirlooms and JJ buff for feedback and sence of accomplishment this leveling style gives.
You know that you have heirlooms?
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My thought about wrath vs hc classic was one being Hardcore - you missplay - you die and lose your character this will naturally force players to slow down considerably and really think what they are pulling, what cave they are entering, etc.
Now I can enter caves for quest mobs without big risk, or I can pull 3-5 mobs (by calculating how long they take to kill vs how much HP I will have after encounter). Now in HC you might be exiting the cave and have mobs respawned and blocked the entrance, plus you might have some spawning on top. While in standard game you would just risk and power through, in HC you might consider HS and flying back. This forces very different approach.
I feel wrath just offers much more at end game vs what you get during leveling - Raids, pvp content (even H++). I guess the one of the better proofs of that - there a lot of Pservers which has all rates for endgame x1 (raid drops, honor, professions), but exp rates are usually x5 or even x10. And people play it a lot, despite exp being very fast. You just see people raiding with 5alts, etc. (I used to pkay in Pserver back in a day, had 4 alts that I was raiding with ).
The biggest argument for keeping slow leveling/exp is a sense of accomplishment, though throughout the years this diminished a lot, when we are leveling or 37th character… at least for me - when I finish leveling an alt it’s more of a “finally, that part done” instead of “oh wow I am proud of myself”. I say I am proud of myself when I beat difficult content during endgame
for HC classic? - if I would get to 60 I would be proud, since it would be my 1st one on very non-standard rules
Did you get your desired “one click - BIS gear” function yet? it’s good that you are open about it, speaking up is the first step! Really interesting thought of Yours my mate!
I see your point about HC leveling being slow on top of original 1-60 exp requirements to hit 60.
With Wrath, however, I do not belive we should have increased rates, because this are official realms, meaning they do not reset often just like private realms do. Blizzard tried x2 rates on quests in the first Season of Mastery, however that game version died out too fast mostly due people preferring TBC and Classic Era over SoM1.
If wrath classic servers stays and doesn’t transition to cata - I can live with that, without having dramatic exp rates increase (as long as we get RDF in next phase, as it happened originally, at least for 1-79).
But I have a bad feeling that we might get TBC treatment - once all the phases are over - we just transition to next expansion and we get no realms for wrath classic. There hasn’t been any confirmation from Blizzard side that Wrath will have few servers running even after the ICC phase ends. Because if wrath classic ends up having 0 servers - then we are on a clock (like TBC was).
Well that is most likely the case. Maybe they will introduce TBC and Wrath SoM realms at some poimt, but for now Blizzard is silent on the topic. It seems that separating addons doesn’t work well with audience thar always played on official realms only, like I did, as such players prefer expansion progress over stagnation of Era.
I saw some leaks about Cata Classic in German, however they might be just fake ones about Blizzard adding lvl 85 versions of every raid from previous expansions (time walking in Cata maybe?) among some easy done things like share mounths, toys and transmog collections. These retail QoL are not so gameplay changing and if they keep original Cata raiding intact I am good with them adding transmog at the start of the xpack.
Extremes have a way of highlighting the faults of a given line of thinking. I use them often to make people stop and think about the possible consequences their supported changes could have in the future. Of course, if a person is already aware of those faults and embraces them, they usually have a tendency to just snarkily dismiss a hyperbole.
This, I just started leveling a shaman and finished Mulgore, a level 1-10 zone, at level 15. Without JJ. I honestly wouldn’t mind leveling through Northrend faster, since questing there is really bad, but for vanilla zones the exp gains are too fast. If you try to finish all quests in each zone, then after the first two you will find that the third zone actually only has 2 or 3 quests for you, because everything else is already gray. Maybe something that rebalances exp gains to increase the time spent in level 1-60 and decrease it at 70-80 would be ok?
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