Rogue all 3 specs broken the whole exp and rogue players just switch from one to the other or the third (ofc depending on which one is most broken atm) 
Literally there is a clip where you kill Trillebartom who prewalled your Vendetta and Sepsis and you still 100-0 him. And stop using top ladder because everyone knows that the only reasons Assassination isn’t there are Hunters and the fact that Outlaws play Kyrian and auto dispel the debuff.
Also watch some players playing any other class than Rogue or Hunter and you will understand.
I recently watched Maldiva and Fearmydear. Once they see Assassination they accept the fact they lost. They die through Unending Resolve. The only way to survive Vendetta + Sepsis go for me is to wall and my healer has to dispel it. First go is usually with Smoke Bomb and 2nd with Blind. Any CC on the go and any spec that doesn’t play Kyrian or isn’t Hunter dies.
It’s also funny how you flex on the fact you didn’t die to Sepsis Rogue. You have freaking Cloak of Shadows and by trinketting you dispel all Poisons and Sepsis with one button. Literally you stop the whole go with one button press. Most of the roster don’t have such priveledge but it’s again hard for you to understand because you play the real hero class in this game.
Sepsis on CDs ticks for 12 k. It’s more than a single Lavaburst with Fire Elemental… Also if according to you Sepsis is not the problem and everyone plays Necro. Then let’s nerf Sepsis and play Necro.
P.S.:
Outlaw and Assassination have similar stat priority. Let’s not pretend they bought weapons recently. With this stage of the expansion everyone has all covenants unlocked and with conquest cap removed it’s not a big deal.
Yes. 100-0 him over 7s pre nerf with PI AND a Priest attacking him with me and both him and his team watching their keyboards DECIDING not to press.
Meanwhile you people are like “ah no dude I die on 0.2s through 3 CDs nothing I could have done why why why”.
Just lies and missplays.
??? The arguments all of you make are that Assa kills you under a second. The most reasonable of you die in 2 to 3s. Hunters can’t FD in stuns, and have teammates without FD. Again, of Assa could really reliably do that, Hunters would be a non issue, they’d die like the rest, in thr first half of Kidney.
It is a wonder to me that you dont realize how flawed your narrative is.
Well I play Disc Priest as well (not rogue, not hunter) with whatever is up in LFG and NF Assa isn’t an issue. I just trade and/or ask my guy to trade in X or Y situation before gates open and we win the game. And that isnt even at high rating, rather only a few hundreds above where you all claim to be farmed by mean and evil assa rogues. Surely they should come for me ?
Shaman right. Funny. Yesterday I was actually watching a random clip of Absterge playing ele, he faces such an Assa, Astral + Ironbark OG, he lives. Nothing else, no dispels.
Also why are Shamans above 1.8 at all if they literally can’t survive Sepsis without what you say ? There is comparable burst too on other specs, so Shamans should be permanently dead yet they are not. So yeah. Performance issue.
Okay so you can’t even read, why do you even answer then ? Look.
What more do I have to type for you to understand that I live that often without being on Rogue.
Also arguing that Rogues have trinket cloak isn’t even smart because vendetta sepsis is 1.5, or 1 if you cloak it, so it means we have to live it without trinket cloak too.
This sentence makes no sense if the assumption is correct btw.
Sometimes more, sometimes less. Depends on many factors. But thats a burst CD for you. Rets blasting a GCD with 25k verdict + 15k DS + 7k SW + 5k verdict proc for example are way, way more bursty. They, for instance, actually can kill people on two globals which is about 1.5s as Ret. Yet you don’t to every Ret because you TRADE COOLDOWNS WHEN FACED WITH BURST. Also Rets often PROC wings meaning you don’t always have something significant to trade and YET you don’t lose to every ret.
Personal hate on rogue isn’t nice.
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Do you get it that it means that both players have not to be CCed then. There is Smoke Bomb, Blind and Vendetta and Sepsis with proper lego have lower CD than Trinket. Not to mention it’s not 2v1 vs Rogue but 2v2.
And Ret is not even near any Rogue spec so lame excuse.
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Purely and solely comparing burst, not the specs overall. Rets easily deal more brutal numbers, and also sometimes “off script” because of procs, yet you may live.
Are you acting like you don’t understand anything today or what
Ah yes. Yet you survive WWs with goes every minute. You survive Ret burst that can randomly proc (well, not randmoly but it procs). You survive MM when you face some, with a go every minute (I hope you saw Kalvish’s HP yday the one time jelly had a decent pop) and rather unavoidable CC (as they all play MM holy so they can stun DPS scatter healer every go). You survive Feral Holy burst windows (a comp that is even played at top ladder alongside Outlaw healer and Hunter healer btw).
But Assa, that is not even played at high rating, no shot you live ?
Yeah sure. Just learn what to trade and when then you’ll see its magic, you actually stay alive.
It isn’t useful to spend too much time answering. At the moment your claims of uncounterable, deadly OPness are not supported by facts. Meanwhile what I say about the ladder is. Don’t waste your time arguing and instead think what you could do to stay alive more. If NF Assa is what’s gatekeeping you when no good player even tries to play it in the meta, you have a problem with staying alive.
There is nothing to understand. Your comparison just don’t make sense.
Ret doesn’t have Smoke Bomb or ranged Blind that he can combine with HoJ. He either HoJ you or healer
These are terrible and I’d even say pathetic comparisons. Most of the times these specs don’t lock you down while ccing your healer or don’t have such ridiculus healing reduction. Like Feral doesn’t have Hemotoxic. Pressing Astral Shift is enough on Berserk + Berserk is 3 min. CD. You have some problems with logic thinking recently. You just bring damage argument when there is way more to it. Hemotoxin and the fact you are locked down so frequently.
You are biased af. If Asssassination isn’t that good why do you care so much to defend it.
Because people bought swords and crafted 1 more lego. Amazing they are all Outlaw now.
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Can you guys focus on getting the monstrosities of Outlaw and Sub rogue nerfed and deal with your Assa l2p issues later?
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Oh ? But you yourself said :
And so, since it is a 2v2, the Ret uses HoJ on you, his Holy Priest uses Chastise Fear on your healer. The exact same, actually, than Assa Holy, except that it is a HoJ instead of a Kidney Shot. Same type of CC on either target, same duration.
Because an Assa Rogue alone with no external help regarding CC should never be able to kill something with “no counterplay”. People don’t die when not CC’ed unless they face Ret Fury pr Destro Frost.
So you make arguments that must apply to Rogues but when it is another spec you conveniently forget your own argument. As I said, I can’t understand that you don’t see the flaws in your narrative.
Every single of the combo on my list have a stun for the DPS with an incap or a disorient on the healer that is ranged and instant. Every single one.
No, instead it has 20% healing reduction all game long, and not 40% for 9s only.
Berserk is not a 3min CD. Wake up.
I don’t. But seeing two tgreads a day with the most idiotic arguments, lack of knowledge (yo dude berserk is 3min CD !!! actually funny) and lies all around (yo bro last time a rogur opened from stealth my monk insta ports and dies in ONE SECOND behind pillar wtf pls nerf) is a bit tiring. I felt like confronting that kind of people to logic and see what happens.
Sadly not much. Apparently the fact that people being killed easily by NF Assa stops at like 2k2 isn’t a valid argument because you people believe you trade properly on 1.8. You wouldn’t be there if that was true. You’d be surprised how easily raging comes in once only thr basic things are some right, with no need for flashy play or anything. If rating doesn’t come rather natrually then fundamental mistakes are being made, period.
But if Assa oneshots anything through wall in 5s why even go Outlaw ? People always go for the most OP thing. There is nothing more OP than killing someone in 5s on the first or second go. Why would people play 8min+ outlaw games if assa was a free win under a minute and a half ?
The answer is because it is not the case vs anyone who knows what to do. You don’t, no big deal, learn and that’s it. Stop complaining so much, it is not healthy.
One good guy here. Actually I’ve kinda stopped having fun playing Outlaw ever since last time I logged it my first 7 games were against Outlaw (regardless of the outcome). I wish it was nerfed so I could play it peacefully again.
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Omg. Do you even get what I’m saying or you’re literally brainwashed by your S+++ class. Listen - it kills a lot of specs without being able to properly respond on your own but there are specs that deal with it like piece of cake - Hunters for example and that’s why they are S tier. Also Outlaw is way better into Hunters so it’s played in top tier. What’s so hard to understand?
Even if it sin’t 3 min. I have a wall for every Berserk so the premise isn’t different. It may be even 2,01 and I’ll have trinket + wall for every. The fact it’s 2,5 min. or 3 min. doesn’t really matter here.
So Affliction Warlock on 2400 - Fearmydear also trades badly. How did he ge there then?
Well everyone makes mistakes
You may be a pro or rank1 but occasionally die to things you know how to deal with because well, they still are human and make mistakes
It does not mean you will automatically die to the same thing the next time
No, your argument is that it kills people in a few seconds in a stun every vendetta sepsis and that it is shorter than trinket. Hunters cannot FD in a stun so they should always die 2nd go. But they don’t. Or you could just press after a FD that he eventually has to press, 15s CD is plenty since according to you Assa kills in 3s anyways. Or you could kill the healer, the healer isn’t a hunter and cannot FD. Yet it doesn’t work because people at decent rating actually don’t let themselves die to then come crying on a forum page.
As I said, performance issue on your side.
Funny to see someone try and lecture me about top tier when he’s never been there. I think my best ranking this season is actually #37 which, while it doesn’t mean much in my life, kind of shows that I have probably a bit more knowledge and understanding of what’s top tier than you do in the current metagame.
The point is you don’t know, or didn’t at least. You come in here crying about something, and then you try to invalidate my arguments with WRONG INFORMATION. It simply shows how much knowledge you lack, which would be fine if you tried to get it before pressing “reply”, but apparently you do not. A tiny bit disappointing, I must say.
Well if he’s there he probably doesn’t fall over every NF Assa like you do. So ask him.
He lost every game into Assassination Rogue at 2,3-2,4 in his last session I watched. It wasn’t an accident.
The point is I have Trinket and Wall for it everytime so I’m not going to die to it like to Vendetta + Sepsis.
It’s not hard to check the ladder and see what people are playing there.
But you said you died through wall at 100% HP to big mean sepsis anyway so why is it even relevant ?
And for the records you can have Berserk back below 2min in many instaces. I’m fairly sure if you attack relatively unhindered you actuay reset it fast enough. If you drop Draught for Frenzybrand you do get it back before 2min. If you play with a NF Priest you do get it back fore 2min no matter what.
So as I said, lack of knowledge, and as a consequence wrong arguments.
Once more your narrative is full of holes. Please stop.
Out of all Rogue specs, Assa rogue provokes the most obvious ‘it’s time for me to press some buttons’ reaction.
Honestly if you die to an Assa rogue you and/or your teammates have done something wrong. Assa rogue pressure hasn’t been unrelenting in a while now.
you are right with everything you said but you also have to remember last tournament there were so many assa rogues killing people through cds. They all play outlaw now because outlaw is really easy and more broken.
If there would be only one rogue spec and thats assa the top ladder would be full of assa rogues.
but i agree these i die in half a second posts are just from bad players that just dont realize what is happening and blaming the game instead of looking what went wrong and in general: stats dont lie. If something is UNCOUNTERABLE broken then people instantly reroll to that. If assa would be like that everyone would play it.
even blizzcon champions trade badly from time to time so?
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Which got nerfed !
Also I have to say even R1/tournament players really felt … not ready. Now a lot more people react cleanly to Sepsis Vendetta and you don’t get as many kills.
But on this forum thread we can see that some people still have no idea how to react. Instead of accepting it and working towards improvement, it is full of tears and salt !
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If it’s once but if he loses all games in a session then I don’t think it’s coincidence. Anyway… As always - everything on Rogues is fine. It’s always l2p issue. I’m tired of this to be fair. Not only Rogue is second most played class in PvP some specs have more representation that other classes.
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I hope you are reading all those answers made by unbiaised non Rogue players my dear.
Btw I heard if shammy isn’t orc, it’s nightmare to play, cos of rogues. Dunno what to do now with my 53 level dwarf shaman. Is it worth to level up dwarf?
Assa Rogue: the only Rogue spec that actually dies, has the least CC potential out of any Rogue spec and has the most clear and obvious win condition.
Forums: nerf!!!
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