once you reach 2850 score and only for 12 keys lmao
" * Reward: Failing to clear a Mythic+ dungeon within the timer will no longer reduce the level of your Keystones below 12 for the season."
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All those bad players that manage to +3 the “easy dungeon” of the season and then just keep on inviting people until they get a group that can carry them instead of they key dropping to the level they should be playing at.
Can’t see this going wrong.
I’d have preferred a “charge” system that gives you some protection from dc’s / bad luck / bad players.
In the interests of balance there should hopefully be less ridiculous gatekeeping.
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You are talking like carrying doesn’t happen now.
Every time a tank or healer joins they bring their friend with no gear or score.
This is a great change. If someone finds a group to carry them I don’t see how it’s any different than the system we have now.
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No I’m not. This isn’t an either / or situation. I’m saying the new system will be more prone to making it happen.
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With the added difference that the key holder will not feel miserable when his run fails.
The positive outweighs the negative here. This is a good change.
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Seems like it’s something just for pushers.
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It quite possibly does, time will tell. I’ll reserve judgement, these things are full of unintended consequences.
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Already seeing groups with 599 item level player in the group being boosted, they should have minimum item level requirements for keystone levels, that can only be bypasses in a full group, like with friends or guildies not randoms.
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The wording IS ambiguous. It could also be taken as sub 12 keys can’t deplete after you have the achi, but to get it you need 2850 score. Which I think is around all 12s anyway.
So that would only be useful for like alts of pushers. Makes little sense
So, you need almost 3k rating and it’s only for 12 and above?
Great change, effecting approx. 15 if not less % of the players. 
The real clown fiesta happens in the low to mid keys.
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Shh or we will make is 3.5k - Blizzard 
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why do you think they basibly implemented hostage system before this change.
you choice is either to carry them or risk that you are 1 dungeon leave away from suspension 
s2 will be even bigger clownfiesta then s1 .
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now more seriously - blizzard stop with idiotic band aid solution and just implement thorgast starting system to m +
and tune damn dungeon correctly - fire your entire tunign team and hire new people who know what they are doing.
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More like 5% (and going downwards). 0.1% is 3306 atm, 1 % is 3048 and 10% is 2678. And thats more or less at the end of the season gear acquisition wise.
Yeah, change makes no sense but I’m not surprised its once again something ignoring the lower playerbase.
Had a 593 Shaman heal Boralus 10 (and that was ages ago). The deplete wasnt his fault. Even a player with low ilvl can beat a higher ilvl person. It was the shamans key with 1 friend and 3 of us randoms any nobody gave a flying f. The power of communication.
And the keys where this is happening won’t really be affected. Like you wont see these groups for quite some time given the rating requirement where you have the keyholder doing +12s timed on their main and having the achiv to be able to do it with alts.
we’ve asked for it forever. Make M+ like the delve level system
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Ok so the text presented is
New account wide achievement: The War Within Keystone Legend: Season Two
- Requirement: Attain a Mythic+ Rating of at least 2850 during The War Within Season Two.
- Reward: Failing to clear a Mythic+ dungeon within the timer will no longer reduce the level of your Keystones below 12 for the season.
- Keystone from the weekly vault will not decay below level 12 with this achievement.
- Keystone can still be lowered below level 12 by speaking to Lindormi.
So obviously we can all take a stab in the dark as to exactly what this all will mean exactly.
I am unsure how wowhead thought this could mean
- Keystones that are in the range of 2-11 can no longer deplete.
to be really frank.
But in the first instance the rating 2850, yeah we are all agreed this is where it triggers.
Who ever gets this, they will have a get out of jail free for the rest of the season and their key cannot go below 12 unless they opt to manually reduce its level .
Even the key from vault every week is hard set to minimum 12.
What this also means is that if you have this achievement any key level below 12 is secure so if you manually reduce it to a 9 and keep failing the timer, it will never go below this.
What is unknown per se, is what that means for the rest of the community. do keys 2-11 still deplete as per normal till we all hit that rating ?
My question is, off course this change is a god send for pushers, so they cannot deplete their key from bad runs below a 12, but this was not the demographic that was asking for and wanting this change.
It was the demographic that on the face of it seems to have been ignored that asked for this, and so it comes across as a slap in the face for them.
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That’s kinda bad 
again they rewarded people that are playing high end content
Well its a start then aint it ? At least they have acknowledged the request from the community and how its executed is up to them. I personally think this is a good way of doing it that way you have to still put effort into it and not just expect a free ride. This means you cannot boost yourself to a 12 and then just farm it x8 for vault , you actually gots to earn it.
Imagine making not punishing people for failure a reward for the top few % of players when it’s a problem that’s giving low rated players a nervous breakdown when they play, making them not want to.
I swear, Blizzard have completely lost the plot.
I’m actually getting fed up now. I’ve just about had enough.
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While its a step, I think you miss the point.
The people able to do 12 keys a week for vault are typically the kinds of people not in need of this fail safe to help their mental well being.
And the ones your suggesting have to put in the effort, are exactly the ones who are time and again getting done over by trolls, griefers, bad pugs who somehow got a manipulated rating… whatever.
So, yeah its a step and shows they are thinking about it, but it also sadly is rather wide of the mark at this moment in time.
Meh, still it requires you put in effort. Thats not a bad thing.