Hi! Key leavers are a problem in actual game.
I’m sure all of you had deal with them sometime.
I can understand a leaver when time is gone and party cant advance without constantly dies along packs or stuck wiping on bosses. No one want to spend his time and is comprensive.
But, there are many times when a party member leaves at the first mistake (when dungeon still doable in time) or just in front of last boss even before do a try just becouse time has recently goin out.
This is hilarious.
When someone leaves at the start of the key when still doable in time just becouse any mistakes happen (sometimes the person who leaves is the same that made the mistake) is painfull for all others.
Some members were waiting for more than 1 hour for this key (depending of class and spec) and this leaver is throwing his time on a trash without any real reason, creating a very bad experience for those.
Worst scenario when it happens in front of last boss when time is just go out before the try or party was in time at first try but wipe, then leaver do the thing without concede a second try on last boss.
This make all people spends a lot of time (real life time) for literally nothing (no reward, no anima, no rio gain)…
But, how we fight against this without punishing hard the people who leaves the keys with a legitime reasons?
Maybe 2 changes can help on this:
- Surrender button: (2/5 or 3/5 votes to be agree) and all people go out from dungeon without any repercussion but key downgrade.
- Raiderio leaver stat: percentage of the dungeons leaved without complete or used the surrender button.
Maybe this way people consider two times before the non reason leave cuz with high percentage of leaver stat they risk to dont be trusted for future runs.
And people with high percentage of leaver stat start to think about what is happening in his runs, why is he leaving so much (maybe his not ready for high keys without being carried or need to play with determinate setup or any other reasons…)
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Blizzard will not implement any punishment system for pug content. It is always a risk factor when playing with strangers. Their solution was to make keys downgrade one level. This was a vast improvement on the old deplete system in Legion.
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best part is when they mess up over and over again themselves and get so tilted they just leave after a wipe lmao
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Maybe if raiderio didnt record runs that you didnt manage to do it on time,it would go better.People dont want failed runs on their record…also it will show up if you skip one level of the key.Do +14 DoS for example,go into DoS 16,fail it and now it shows as your best run and people dont want that really.Thats why I never went for keys that are above 1 level.Incase it fails I dont want to have it on my char but many will go for any key and if its not gonna be timed they will leave and go again.No record of the run if they leave,simply go again and try to time it.
I’m quite happy to have failed runs on my record, they’ve pushed my score up at times.
I also don’t care if I’m helping friends and I know it’s not going to be timed.
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This. And to add to that they should not.
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This is the only thing that can work, but it comes with a lot of problems. The thing is that people with good RIO don’t need to wait for 30 minutes to get an invite as DPS, you know? Leaving is no skin off their back.
This is one of the so many reasons I don’t use RIO. You invite someone with good RIO, good RIO history and find it’s only because he leaves keys left and right. And gets almost immediately invited again, because he has a good RIO score. There is an elitism with people with high RIO.
If you’re gonna use RIO, my advice would be to look for people around your own score.
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As soon as you implement a penalty for leavers you will spawn a bunch of trolls pushing people to leave runs.
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But chances to be invited are way less without rio. Usually players with no rio are avoided.
System is not perfect but definitelly better.
If one player troll, he can be kicked and it increases his leaver percentage (only for him).
In another hand, if some players dont want to continue the key, they dont need to troll and force another one to leave, just do the surrender votation, with 2 or 3 players agree to “surrender” the dungeon is over, the key failed and no one takes the leaver stat. 
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because no reward for compliting dungeon even intime. guys u are playing shadowlands. big empty game.
Please use the forum’s search function. Your suggestion is identical to 50 others in the past month, and there are hundreds of posts explaining exactly why Blizzard will not change anything.
As it stands, the system is the best it can be. They’ve tried different ones in the past using the random dungeon finder as a “beta test environment” for leaver penalty testing, and it was always abused. Always.
The current system is the way it is for a reason, and that reason is that this community cannot be trusted with anything more - or less.
no. noone cares if a failed run shows up somewhere. they either care about loot or score. if you dont time it, you get no or less score than when you do. and when you try to push your score there is little reason to stay.
sure, a failed run can show up as your highest completed dungeon, however, you can estimate from their score what kind of dungeons they ve done before. or they could just look you up on rio page, takes two seconds, which also a lot of people do.
in my opinion, you kind of need failed runs to show up somewhere. if someone got a perfect rio history with no failed dungeons ever, its either a leaver or was boosted. its perfectly normal to not time every dungeon and noone truly cares if you dont.
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ontop of that… likelyhood is people Quitting keys will just afk til u kick em.
u cant beat this system im afraid, u’ll never a pug system without leavers, thats the way the world works. and it plagues games which even do have rules against leaving.
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Totally true, u’ll never have a pug system without leavers.
But people who goes afk or force his group to kick him would increase his “leaver percentage” too, if he keep doing the same strat at the end will be punishing cuz nobody wants to invite ppl with high change to leave the keys
and how is the game supposed to detect whether the kick was justified or not?
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Never 
We still finish those keys, even an hour above time.
Yes, several times we didn’t finish a key, specifically Plaguefall before nerfs, because it was at two hours mark and the last boss on tyrannical at +11 in 190 gear seemed mathematically impossible. Otherwise it’s only a question of endurance.
This person I will not run keys with any more.
Easy solution, all you have to do is stop pugging keys and find a static group for this 
Okey doke, I won’t leave your Key then. I’ll literally just ALT+TAB out and leave the laptop.
Hell hath no fury like a healer scorned. 
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It cant. If group kicks you is considered legit and ur leaver statics increase in same way as you leave.
Yes, you can find a group of 4 premades who want to soecifically troll the 5th member without any reason for that but this is a very low chance.
If there are just some people who doesnt want to continue the key and dont want to increase they leaver rating they only need to vote for surrender the run.
Key will stop and downgrade but no ones increases his leaver rating.
That is the worst ever metric.
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