Since in 8.2, the Way of the Crane PVP talent will be usable in PvE scenarios via the AE Conflict and Strife, is it possible for Kickweaving to become viable in the next patch? The ability itself doesn’t sound too bad, specially given its short CD (1 min). Some obvious drawbacks are obviously the fact that you need to do PVP to get the Essence and, if you want to upgrade the Essence, rated PvP; and the targetting system, since it heals the 3 nearest allies, which might make it less reliable raid-wise.
mistweaving is is vaible in this patch, what you need to consider is when to fistweave and when not to, im a fistweaver i dont know to heal any other way. the only advice i can give you is actualy try to fistweave, on most encounters theres no such rotation to fistweave it’s instict a few pointer i can give.
1teleport is very cruical to your fistweaving .
2 chi torpendo is your exit sgretgy combine with telport this allow you to weave in and out of combine and should always be using it.
3 always use thunder focos tean on vivify.
if you look at my talents and set up on azerite traits its for combat and exit combat. while still doing great healer. if you want sum fun healing then try fistweaving its the most fun spec to heal currently.
stack crit and versatility, versititly helps with you healing and the damage you take, diffuse magic and ironskin brew use thos cooldown when either targeted by a spc or taking raid wide damage. fistweaving is instint.
I definitely worded the post wrong. I wanted to say “competitive” where I put “viable”. My mistake.
And while Kickweaving can definitely be viable, it justs doesn’t compete with the Mistweaving build as the latter gives far more healing throughput, overall. Saving more mana isn’t really all that much to me, since I never tend to run out of mana, provided I manage Mana Teas and Replenishing Potion (+Alch stone) correctly.
Also, the whole point is to discuss whether the PvP talent will put Kickweaving more on par with Mistweaving in the next patch, since it is a nice buff for the Kickweaving build.
hi there again, nice to see you responed to my reply. i can see fistweaving competive in future patches, what i’ve learned about fistweaving is you never run out of mana so that’s not the issue.
here’s my thoughts how fistweaving can be competive from my purspective.
as you can see from my talents i’ve had great success healing but i dont use the talent rising mist as it’s not powerfull enough to heal low targets or have a big enough heal with rising sunkick has a 9 second but can trigger through teachjing iof the monsosaty but it still not powerful, my suggestion would be rising sunkick have 3 charges.
ive never used chi wave as mist wrap or chi wave in the build ive tested over and iover there’s not healing from chiwave and mistwrap is a non starter as dont have soothing mist on my bars as ive never used the spell to fistweave, my thoughts on this to make it competive with chi burset is w great talent on 30 second cooldown, make mistwrap be valuable to fistweaver but using the componant to put a shield aroubnd the ally when renewing mist travels to a diffrent ally while still leaving a heal over time tick on the target a top up if you wish.
as your thought on way of the crane i think this a spendid a idea from blizzard it can be used as raid cooldown or on boss fights to heal allys for a certain amount of time the base healing comes from your interllect.
my thought on this talent to make it competive increase the amount of people it heals with a melee area of boss fight, thats what it was designed for to do damage and healing with allys in a certain area i realy see it being use for burst phases of boss fight ot can be used as a raid healing machanic , what i would like to see it used like a mini revival in melee, as a melee healer that;s what i can my self its a niche specc to play and also the most fun spec to play. i do have more thoughs on fistweaving or you can speak to me ingame if you like and give you more pointers but i dont want to bore the cummucity or you in a long drawn out post:).
but theres my thoughts any way. it can be competive if you know how to fistweave^^
Since monks are probably the most mana starved healing class and that crane cost to heal 3 wounded allies. If it was an aoe at a specific radius it might be good but honestly i dont think it worths at this mana cost.
Monks will never work “good” with haste and having a high haste to pop as much as you can with fist weaving means youre going to sacrifice on crit+vers that makes it extremely wrong.
Fistweaving was the only way to go during legion(progression) it was horrible and clunky since you had to be melee to fistweave and gain mana and then roll/tp back to heal others with your gusts(then) and your breath and your jade wind. It was the worst possible design of monk ive ever seen, upwelling change this and monk is in a better state.
Maybe first weaving in M+ would work but still the cost in mana is so HUGE that makes it even worst for me. In high keys i need mana each pull with my monk while my druid just goes around with his innervate and the trait that gives him mana back.
Spirit of the Crane in Legion was not Fistweaving. It was simply attacking to get mana back.
Fistweaving = Damage converted to healing.
For the original poster: Way of the Crane will be our best essence on fights where we can sit and DPS in melee for 15 seconds during high damage phases.
It was called fistweaving in legion, dont know why we argue with the obvious.
Fist-Weaving, nothing to do with healing its weaving fists. Perhaps you should read what you write in the first place, dont know if the term changed in BFA but still its useless.
You know you will be able to heal 3 allies only mele range to you with it and considering you will have upwelling and not focused thunder its a waste of mana.
WoWhead and noxic and not always the best sources lol
Why the passive aggressiveness? A lot of misinformed people called it “Fistweaving” in Legion, but it was literally just called “DPSing”. Think about it, why would it be called “Fistweaving” when it’s no different from just DPSing? Sure you get mana back, but that’s no reason to change its name from just straight up “DPSing”
Fistweaving was a term developed in MoP/WoD when you attacked in order to heal.
I am not trolling when I say it’s going to be our best essence on fights where we can actually use it. The math has been done, the testing is over, and the articles have been written. Way of the crane is also a very efficient spell, and the only thing that beats it in terms of effiency is Essence Font
Why do you presume to talk about what’s going to work/isn’t work in Mythic raiding when you don’t even raid that difficutly? I’m not trying to insult you, I’m just curious.
Yeah everyone is misinformed except you
Fist-Weaving is about dpsing, not converting dps to heals. They used it likethis before probably renamed it now on BFA.
Yeah i have seen sites saying its BiS but at 25% mana and 1 minute cooldown, means probably you use it when mana tea is out of CD every 2 minutes.
Also its on the 3 nearest allies, with 12.5% mana considering you will use mana tea you can instead cast 2x essence fonts that will heal almost all the raid + leave a HoT that you can get a nice effect by your mastery, its still a plus or whatever.
Dont know if you ever used it on PvP but its kinda bad, at 25% mana its horribad, considering it how much effort you need to do and waste time on PvP it makes it EVEN more horribad xD
Dont forget it will require you to be melee, while monk is classified as melee healer you have the problem of moving in and out, considering you are using jade wind… It makes the whole gameplay as messy as legion wass.
You saw that i dont raid in mythic? I didnt raid in 8.2
Just because my guild took a break @ 5/9 that doesn’t mean im not raiding,
You should know that you can see logs Pre 8.2 on warcraftlogs and they are better than yours so far my guild reached
How it performs in PvP is irrelevant to its performance in PvE.
Yes, you have to be in melee. Which is why I said:
Way of the Crane will be our best essence on fights where we can sit and DPS in melee for 15 seconds during high damage phases
It heals the 3 nearest injured players, so it won’t overheal people. The moment someone close to you is at full hp, it will heal someone else. A cooldown doesn’t have to be raid wide to be good. It also does a LOT of healing. It’s a massive burst of healing over 15 seconds. In an ideal situation, it’s going to heal more than a revival. It’s also a really nice DPS buff, which is more important than you might think.
And yea, it costs a lot of mana. I also said that right behind essence font, it’s our most efficient spell… this means that taking the high mana cost into account, it’s still doing more healing than you would have done with 25k mana spent on other spell.
You cleared 5 bosses in 8.1.5, and 4 bosses in Uldir. You literally haven’t touched a difficult boss in BFA. I didn’t look at your 8.2 logs because you don’t have any.
they are better than yours so far my guild reached
How do you judge a log? Let me guess, you look at percentages and rankings?? I hope you realize how useless looking at percentages is when it comes to healing.
It’s also really easy to use talents that boost your HPS to get a better ranking. Let’s use Mythic Grong as an example. The DoT from Tantrum does a lot of damage, so RJW seems like the obvious choice right? Well, the damage from the DoT isn’t what’s going to wipe you on that fight. What most groups usually wipe to on Grong, is an orb carrier dying so you get an extra tantrum and die. How do you prevent that; by using Jade Serpent Statue to keep the orb carrier up. RJW does not keep the orb carrier alive, JSS does. I am not saying RJW is bad for that fight, but you have to make the choice between RJW which provides more healing, or JSS which helps keep your important players alive at the cost of lower healing. That’s one of the many reasons why you shouldn’t just look at percentages.
My friend…WHen you at first: Fistweaving = Damage converted to healing… Its not, its FIST WEAVING = DPSing + healing.
And then you just call out i dont raid why i have an opinion… Get yourself looked at first with passive aggressiveness and then il will look at mine
You have to use it to know that heals the very near you wounded targets, not the ranged not the other healers. Will be extremely strong considering everyone will be stacking on tank, but will they? Dont think so.
A raid has 2 tanks around 4-5 melee’s usually, so you will spend all that much mana to heal 6-7 targets… Math was done you said?
It doesnt… Considering you will be using upwelling and not focused thunder because you will loose even more output… You gonna strike 2 RSK’s with it that cost another 1500 mana each… then your punch deals like 4k? Stack 3 of them to get a triple kick? Make the math, it doesnt work GOOD for 3 people and melee range ones.
Dont forget, using Crane will not allow you to use Lucid dreams that is another 12k mana lost on top what you spent on crane.
If you are VERY confident about your mana sustain and your guilds damage taken, Ever rising tide is ALOT better. While for starters i will take lucid dreams for sure, 2min CD = 12k mana that means at least 2 uses in a fight that is 24k mana. That is 3 EF casts. You can out heal 3 EF’s with your crane? Math is done u said…
I came back on uldir, the 5 bosses i cleared on BoD is what my guild did and then stoped. And as said with better logs from yours. Now on 8.2 already told you we stoped and i dont have logs for it, wasted a few time on M+ pugs.
When you do your math, you output. Lets see what output you will have with crane because you gonna be oom at boss’s 60% HP
I thought you said it wasnt a serious boss. Now it suddenly is?
You did your math? Statue cannot heal for more than 2k HPS. Other healers will HoT as you will and the person has no problem. You using statue are wasting your time and choose an easy mana sustain skill-set.
You have to output as much as you can PER MANA SPENT, nobody cares about the output. Mana is not energy/pain/combo points, yoo oom? You wipe. Spreading alot of healing and spending as less mana possible is the way to go.
there are 4 or maybe 5 healers. I HoT from each healer keepss everyone UP. You probably cant manage your mana with RJW therefore notusing it.
I dont care what you did or what you did not. You said i dont raid and answered you accordingly.
I never said Grong was a serious boss. I used him as an example because he’s one of the few bosses you have killed. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
You are talking out of your behind, with nothing to support you. Why don’t you read the articles made by the people actually doing the math before coming in here and spreading misinformation? It’s like you don’t understand that a PTR has been played through where people actually tested the bosses with this Essence and found that it was actually really really good and outperformed the other essences.
This perfectly explains why you haven’t killed any relevant boss since forever lol. Even in Legion you did NOTHING. You are literally a heroic raider who hasn’t completed a recent mythic tier (have you ever?) and suddenly you’re trying to tell people what’s going to be good in future mythic tiers, despite not testing anything yourself, not listening to players better than you, and only doing your own pointless math (which is wrong btw)
“And as said with better logs from yours”
How so? You just look at percentages like I said. And even if you only look at percentages, mine are better than yours lol. And you’re joking if you think percentages/rankings matter on irrelevant bosses like the first 5.
If you can’t even listen to reason, and insist on putting words in my mouth and not even responding to my points then I have no reason to talk to you. Have fun in heroic.
You’re either a troll, or someone who shouldn’t step near a raid ever again.
Also, rankings from 8.1.5 are automatically lower than in 8.1 if you didn’t play in 8.1.5, because other people overtake your rank and yours will drop as a result. If you want to look at the actual rankings I got, look at 8.1.
Damn…You got angry and really passive aggressive now bro? I guess so
Im not spreading any misinformation, im talking to you in reality not in sims or ideall scenarios. You wont have many people around you when you spend 25k for this essence. Simple
As about what ive killed and what ive raided, i did got a CE once and it was probably the most useless thing i ever done. Now if you think that bringing bosses kills = skills and not time wasted, i can tell you youre 1100 rio
Reason: YOU DONT HAVE MANY PEOPLE AROUND YOU and its only for 3 and you spend 25% of your mana for it. GET REAL lol
If you say so
Rankings from 8.1 are different from 8.1.5 and as we get more gear we have bigger output, dont know what excuse is that but deffo its funny xD
You are clearly not listening to what I am saying.
If having fun with a guild and killing bosses is wasting time, why are you even here? Why are you giving advice when it’s so pointless? I honestly don’t understand you. I can’t tell if you’re just stupid or if you are trolling. You don’t raid at a relevant level, so why are you giving advice about essences at THAT level?
I am also using “REALITY” as an example. Remember when I said this was tested on bosses on the PTR? That’s a REAL example on REAL bosses.
And people don’t have to be close to you to receive healing… if your closest target is 30 yards away, they will get the healing. It doesn’t matter how close people are or if you have “people around you”. Where did you get this from? You don’t even know how the ability works…
You are literally ignoring everything I say, and then you create your own strawman argument. Nice facebook emotes btw.
Im having as much fun as i can while working and have a real life, you might be super man and never sleep but i kinda cant commit that much xD
Well now youre really passive aggressive and insulting still though i tend to take angry kids as a joke always.
You have to re-read what i said, its innefective and actually noxic that you probably took a look at is the worst place to look at it. Now whoever said that its the biggest output IT IS! But not in the real world, its gonna be HUGE when people stack below boss. You will stack all the raid below the boss? If so its the best but i kinda doubt it.
Thats why i asked you if you used it, seems like you didnt. At least in a 3v3 arena it doesnt heal a ranged. Only the melees, is it changed for raiding? Then im wrong.
But then again, its only for 3 people. Its 25% of your mana, still quite low on output considering how much mana you use for it + how much mana you lost by not using the recovery one. Use your brain.
I feel exactly the same way, you tunnel vision on noxic probably and called out “math” as well, its not facebook emotes its blizzards forum emotes.
25000 mana cost + not using Lucid dreams 12000 mana. That means taking this essence you have to output with it for 37k mana.
That 37k mana will output alot more if you spend the on a well placed EF with many stacks and vivi’s on the EF affected targets.
Dont forget that you will have to either save it for when MT is up OR use it raw at 25k. That means you spend alot more mana as your MT is not being used on them.
