Please stop using reason, this thread is all about feminism and how to be against it.
Also, horde bias. Mkay?
Exactly
A legedary - thus not touched by all the wars and world events - technically advanced (one should say Hyper-advanced, compared with the others, maybe on par with the Draenei/Naaru advanced) civilization from the times when Gnomes were mechagnomes, with all your sci-fi technologyâŚ
It was a legend, sure⌠but the legend status donât affect the fact, under that island there is a god know how large undergound civilization, that was self susitained and remained hidden for several thousand years , predating possibly even Zandalar and the Troll civilization from around the time when the Titanforged shaped Azeroth after the Black Empire and Mimron had these mechanical servants - okay this part we donât know for sure, how old is Mechagon?
But even its only one city, such technological superiority means they are heavy hitters
I mean I donât know how familiar you are with Star Gate: Atlantis but its a bit similar⌠except the mechagnomes know how to use all of their technology
EDIT: Zandalar enjoyed âquasi-legendaryâ status for a pretty long time sometimes even among the Trolls, and when Zul gathered the tribes it was a huge deal
Mechagon being populated by gnomes as a civilization is 500 years old. Prior to this it was uninhabited for a long period and was simply one of Mimirons research sites.
Zandalar has been populated by Trolls since before the Sundering, the Zandalari Empire predates Mechagon by thousands of years. Lore confirms itâs the oldest civilization on Azeroth.
Rhastakhan alludes to this with his âwhen your ancestors were trudging about in the dirt, we already had a functioning civilisationâ speech before his encounter in BoDA.
Yeah, no.
King Mechagon left Gnomeregan 400 years ago, so thatâs how old Mechagon is.
Even if its habited only since 500 years, the city/research site is still advanced and old - plus remained in a very good condition - as hell and the mechagnomes know how to use these things⌠
The trolls never really advanced - nor other races - beyond using stone golems for some workâŚ
Well, did they need to?
Zandalar has stood for 16.000 years without this useless Tech.
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Zandalarian navy wishes to raise an objection.
What about it?
It has stood for 16000 years without it. Sure, the Alliance wrecked it due to bomb planting like cowards, but how did they fare against it without those planted bombs? 
And Zandalar still stands.
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I think we wandered away from the original topic about Mechagone mightâŚ
500 or 5000 or 50000 year old civilization, its not really matters when you have rayguns, droid army, antigrav mines, replenishable power batteries, mech suits and pretty much all of the hi-tech things you could think aboutâŚ
They are - contrary of popular belife - not just diaper gnomes⌠but cyborgs, sometime full on droids with advanced technologyâŚ
In m book that is fkin advance
The Zandalarian Navy, as my learned colleague pointed out was wiped by a way lesser gnomish technologyâŚ
Its not Avatar on Pandora, when a squad of flying beast could mach the hi-tech airforce; that pterodax-squad I donât really think would stand a chance against a squadron of flying deffense units patroling mechagonâs skies⌠
Anyhow, back to king Rastakhanâs death⌠its the same thing King Mechagon died, both were horrible leaders but wanted the best, and both were allied races leaders
And both died
King Mechagon was a madman, and nothing you say will change this fact.
He wanted to make everyone into mechanical beings with disregard to what others wanted. If he just did it to those who wished it? Fine. However, people even saw him as mad BEFORE he founded the city of Mechagon, that says quite a lot.
Iâve never understood the diaper gnome meme, so youâre safe with me with that.
Still utterly wrecked it.
And since their boats arenât hi-Tech, they can easily be remade.
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Mechagon is advanced, I wonât contest that.
I think the Zandalari technology is hard to quantify. They have a sophisticated relationship with their gods which had circumnavigated their need for a lot of technology. We do know a few things however:
- the Zandalari up to BFA had one of the strongest and fully functioning fleets in Azeroth. This doesnât suggest they have rudimentary technology. This puts them in front of several races which show no talent for nautical engineering, or have much smaller constructions. For example Zandalari ships are more complex and larger yet superior on waters than human (not Kul Tiran) ships. These ships also come with precise siege weapons.
- Zandalari seem to substitute raw tech for magic similar to belf. For example golems. Certain lore sources state the first elves stole the secrets of Voodoo magic to develop their own brand of arcane, prior to which they had no standing versus Zandalari at all. This suggests the Zandalari have a very high understanding of magic, which they defer to over technology, because they accomplish with magic what many races use technology for.
- The traps within the treasure vault of DazarâAlor suggest the Zandalari do have reasonable knowledge of mechanics and engineering.
Whilst not the most technologically advanced race, Iâd definitely say Zandalari are not near the bottom. It becomes tricky to measure because their culture doesnât seem to require technology for its own sake, or for advanced weaponry. As said, they have a very visible relationship with their gods, and powerful voodoo magic. You donât really need to invent planes if you can ride pterrodaxes born of the clutch of a demi god, whilst hurling enchanted weaponry and hexes at targets whilst mounted. They accomplish the same thing, but one honours Zandalari heritage so itâs their obvious choice.
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Its easy to confuse logic with madness, especially factoring the hard facts: flesh only brough Azeroth death and destruction and by logic, removing the curse of flesh (or using the re-origination ray) would defeat the Old Gods and give the titan a chance, wich is the mechagnomes/titanforgedâs original porpuse
With the point of view of the biological life forms⌠.yeah, madness
From a machine? logical
The Night Elves had a very close relationship with the Wild Gods, but they needed to be convinced in the War of the Ancients when the whole world was at stakeâŚ
âŚand they not really helped when Teldrasil brunedâŚ
But I never argued about Zandalar need of technology, just pointed out, when it comes to might Mechagon i think just as strong if not stronger than Zanadalar⌠sure I could be wrong, but technology kinda justify that
You know theres a quest where we enter a timeline where Mechagon used the thing right? Yeah, it wiped out all non-mechanical beings out. Good job.
The Zandalari befriended the Loa (Wild Gods) long Before that.
And they revere the loa, which the Night elves dont. At least not in the same way.
Id be careful about suggesting tech means outright advantage like planes versus dinosaurs. Remember the time the Zandalari obliterated an Alliance fleet with Loa power? Planes with machine guns mean little if you can use supernatural forces to rip them from the sky.
Despite their stagnant approach to tech, the Zandalari have still managed to hang onto a civilisation for over 10000 years and dominate many spaces. This isnât because their Tech sucks, itâs because they literally have gods as weapons that walk with them and bless them. This makes their power level hard to gauge.
Also theyâre naturally very robust which against circumnavigates a lot of needs for tech. You donât need many mechanical tools or gadgets when you can lift your own body weight overhead one handed, or rip plate metal with your hands (itâs stated Zandalari can do both)
They can pierce plate with their Nails/thumbs.
Just a slight correction.
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Yeah, including the faceless and all the flesh things probably⌠but that we donât know, just the world become âclean of the flesh of curseâ
I donât think you could be friend with a god⌠thoâ Rezan rushed to help Rastakhan and was mauled by Zul
Some godly helpâŚ
But those are really hyperboles, so I donât argue about the usefullness of loa and the Trolls better relationship with them than the Elves had with theirs
Actually? No. I donât. I remeber when from behind the fog they lunched a surpries fire with catapults
When did the loa wiped out a fleet? Iâm asking this as a geunine question, not to mock, really curious about it
If they can pierce plate with their thumbs I imagine they can Rip it apart when applying the strength of their arms. When you think about the pressure difference between what can be applied by a thumb and twin arms in a reverse vice motion.
I mean itâs not outright stated but I donât think itâs a crazy inference, unless for some reason Zandalari have crazy string thumbs specifically. The fact they can lift their body weight singled handed seems to suggest itâs a general thing however.
Yeah, all NON-MECHANICAL.
Literally every living being that wasnât Titanforged or Mechagnome or the like.
You can in WoW, if you prove your Worth.
Rezan is the highest Loa and the Loa Rastakhan was a follower of and someone he answered to.
The fog was probably created by a loa, and Rezan did use his Powers to push Talanjis ship forward.
No loa actually did any attacking though.
It is that attack, but it is a manouver accomplished by using the Loa, given the mist is removed at talanjis bidding, rezan allows the bait and switch etc. I chose my initial wording poorly there, my bad.
Irrespective the clip does show Zandalari ships are capable of hitting enemy ships from a HUGE distance precisely. Thatâs quite a feat of engineering, that or their bolts have Loa blessed winds behind them. The result is the same.
Zandalari power is difficult to measure because a lot of it comes to whimsy of Loa. Itâs a bit different to nelf and ancients because loa are shown to directly intervene when their priests call them. The relationship between the Zandalari and Loa is more refined than nelf and ancients.
Mind you, never questioned the might of the Zandalari empire
Just said Mechagon is on the same level, or could be stronger ^^