Lag spikes within new raid

Since I were told to create a new thread for analyzing;

I’ve experienced some pretty massive lag spikes during our raid nights within the new raid.
On Wednesday I luckily only had lag spikes during the first boss, and otherwise it was smooth.

Tonight (Sunday) I had lag spikes throughout the evening, which makes progressing and learning the Anduin fight very frustrating.

I don’t have much lag spikes otherwise; Only within the raid.
Not sure if it’s related only to anduin or not.

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| WinMTR statistics |

Host - % Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last
[home] - 0 8522 8522 0 0 51 1
178.248.103.1 - 0 8523 8523 1 1 66 1
No response from host - 100 1708 0 0 0 0 0
ti0127a400-ae10-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8524 8524 13 16 106 24
ti0159c400-ae10-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8523 8523 19 20 103 21
ti0003c360-ae31-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8523 8523 19 22 86 20
ti0001c360-ae15-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8523 8523 19 23 88 21
ti0275c360-ae1-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8523 8523 19 22 101 44
ti3001c360-ae3-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8523 8523 20 22 82 20
ti3001b400-ae4-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 8524 8524 19 21 74 20
netnod-ix-ge-b-sth-1500.blizzard.com - 0 8522 8522 20 25 190 20
ae1-br01-eqsk1.as57976.net - 0 8522 8522 36 42 946 37
et-0-0-3-br01-eqam1.as57976.net - 4 7180 6938 36 190 4914 40
137.221.65.75 - 3 7517 7329 34 142 4826 35
137.221.78.47 - 0 8523 8523 35 37 90 37
185.60.112.157 - 0 8523 8523 36 37 85 37
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

The WinMTR results look perfectly alright, so if those were captured during the time ingame latency was higher than expected the root cause for said latency either didn’t occur on the route between the computer and the server or within a network area the test couldn’t map (e.g., maybe in IPv6 range, or within the router itself).

That all said, latency spikes that seem to only occur within one specific area but don’t affect everyone else within the area equally are rather often the result of “log-crawler” addons that go off the rails during an encounter. It’d definitely be worth to giving this a try while no addons are installed (and their cached data has been cleared as well), just to see if it makes any difference at all. :slight_smile:

The spikes and packet losses between ae1-br01 and 137.221.65.75 ain’t of any concern then?

I suppose I could try disabling every addon if I see the same problems next time we raid and I see those issues, kinda hope it’s not the case as I would assume I’ll lose any user settings within the few addons I have if I need to clear cached data

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The two as57976.net entries happen to be firewalls that deliberately throttle and discard certain types of data packets that are commonly used for DDoS-style attacks, including the type used by the WinMTR test (type ICMP_ECHO, aka “ping”). Actual game data traffic passes unhindered there. :slight_smile:

Well during yesterday’s raid night I didn’t experience any latency issues;
I did however disable a bunch of addons beforehand, and gradually added some back in during the night.

Guessing the addon “Zereth Mortis Puzzle Helper” might have been the culprit, unless it was simulationcraft.

Thanks for the help tho Veadsarias ^^

ok I’ll just use my own thread again;

So, tonight again I’ve experienced lag spikes within Sepulcher of the first ones again.

I disabled all my addons, even deleted the WTF and it didn’t have any effects at all.
Some other guildmates also faced this issue so it’s not exclusively me…

so, big load on the servers tonight or what?

Apologies for the late reply - but no, nothing special happened server-side at the time this was reported. Trouble with the instance-server would also generally have some pretty drastic impact on everyone in the zone, not just select individuals.

Odds are, there may have been a commonality between the involved players that caused them all to be affected. Point of note here: disabling addons doesn’t stop them from talking to each other, which is one of the ways how addons used by player A can actually make things worse for player B (who potentially doesn’t even actively use said addon). Actual deletion and purging of their cached data would be required to make sure there is no residual effect in place.

Had massive issues tonight as well, and as you advised I removed the addons and WTF folder.

It didn’t really make any difference unfortunately :confused:
I’m a bit lost as to what it could be at this point. Have done WinMTR, moved addons and wtf out of the WoW directory.
Tried ticking off “Optimize network for speed” just in case; Nothing.
Don’t have IPv6 on, nor advanced combat logging.
Still the world latency stays up at like +300-500ms

The weird thing is, it doesn’t happen every raid night either…
Of course, I’ve closed most background applications as possible, only having B.net, WoW and discord running

so would it be related to other player’s addons sending traffic my way then or?

It’s incredibly frustrating as it actively interferes with my ability to do what I enjoy the most in WoW; Raiding with my guild(s) :confused:

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I am having exactly the same issues and have yet to find a thread where this problem is solved.

I’m only getting these lags in raid and rarely in dungeons. After 9.2 i’ve been having these lags and now i am at a point where i’ve ruled out everything on my computer(Updating drivers, Re installing game, Deleting addons and cache, cleaning the computer).

I’m hoping this thread gets resolved quickly so i can try the solution myself.

Let’s collect some data here then, to see if there commonalities between the affected players that may explain what is going on.

Specifically, the following would be interesting:

  • Country of residence
  • ISP being used
  • WinMTR results (ideally recorded while encountering issues)

Right, so Sunday I experienced nothing.
Today however I had some spikes, but not unplayable at least.

Country of Residence: Norway
ISP being used: NEAS MR fiber internet
WinMTR results for tonight;

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| WinMTR statistics |

Host - % Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last
10.22.22.1 - 0 9385 9385 0 0 48 0
178.248.103.1 - 0 9385 9385 1 2 59 48
No response from host - 100 1881 0 0 0 0 0
No response from host - 100 1881 0 0 0 0 0
193.69.11.185 - 1 9378 9376 1 3 93 1
ae1.cr2.prinsg39.as2116.net - 1 9383 9382 18 20 70 20
ae9.cr2.fn3.as2116.net - 0 9386 9386 12 13 69 12
he2-2-0.br2.stcy.as2116.net - 0 9385 9385 18 20 100 22
netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-1500.blizzard.com - 0 9385 9385 19 24 215 33
ae1-br01-eqsk1.as57976.net - 1 9381 9380 35 44 1099 35
et-0-0-3-br01-eqam1.as57976.net - 4 7741 7495 35 311 4904 2419
137.221.65.75 - 3 8366 8176 33 161 4852 2443
137.221.78.51 - 0 9387 9387 34 36 103 35
185.60.112.157 - 1 9381 9380 35 36 86 35
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

I also did a winMTR over 1 hour doing some leveling Saturday (21:30-22:30) for a baseline;

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| WinMTR statistics |

Host - % Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last
10.22.22.1 - 0 3412 3412 0 1 49 0
178.248.103.1 - 0 3412 3412 1 2 63 2
No response from host - 100 684 0 0 0 0 0
ti0127a400-ae10-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 3412 3412 13 16 101 14
ti0159c400-ae10-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 3412 3412 19 21 70 21
ti0003c360-ae31-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 3412 3412 20 23 105 20
ti0001c360-ae15-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 3412 3412 20 23 108 31
ti0275c360-ae1-0.ti.telenor.net - 1 3393 3388 20 23 96 26
ti3001c360-ae3-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 3412 3412 20 24 98 33
ti3001b400-ae4-0.ti.telenor.net - 0 3412 3412 19 22 91 20
netnod-ix-ge-b-sth-1500.blizzard.com - 0 3412 3412 20 25 200 21
ae1-br01-eqsk1.as57976.net - 0 3412 3412 36 46 1100 37
et-0-0-3-br01-eqam1.as57976.net - 4 2903 2813 36 187 4725 36
137.221.65.75 - 3 3009 2929 34 128 4368 52
137.221.78.47 - 0 3412 3412 35 38 99 37
185.60.112.157 - 0 3412 3412 36 37 85 36
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

It’s just weird that it doesn’t happen every night I do raiding, there seems to be no pattern to whether I have a smooth experience, or having lag spikes. the winMTR results doesn’t look apart either…
Thursday last week was just horrendous, so bad I quit out early. I didn’t log any winMTR at that day however, was mainly testing stuff you’ve already suggested Veadsarias

Edit; Tacking on another WinMTR from tonight as well as there was another night with spikes:

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| WinMTR statistics |

Host - % Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last
10.22.22.1 - 0 5738 5738 0 0 44 0
178.248.103.1 - 1 5731 5729 1 1 66 2
No response from host - 100 1150 0 0 0 0 0
No response from host - 100 1151 0 0 0 0 0
193.69.11.185 - 1 5727 5724 1 3 72 1
ae1.cr2.prinsg39.as2116.net - 1 5735 5734 18 20 68 19
ae9.cr2.fn3.as2116.net - 1 5734 5733 12 13 77 12
he2-2-0.br2.stcy.as2116.net - 1 5736 5735 18 20 74 19
netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-1500.blizzard.com - 0 5739 5739 19 24 200 25
ae1-br01-eqsk1.as57976.net - 0 5738 5738 35 45 1320 36
et-0-0-3-br01-eqam1.as57976.net - 3 5069 4946 35 150 4939 35
137.221.65.75 - 2 5224 5123 33 102 4874 34
137.221.78.51 - 1 5731 5729 34 36 115 35
185.60.112.157 - 1 5732 5730 34 36 85 35
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

Telzi, are you still having issues? Fellow Norwegian here, I found this trough google as I have an issue somewhat relatable to this. Any chance you could add me on discord?
BatteryChris#8072

Hey there Batterychris, I was away for a while.
I haven’t experienced the same issues since that last time I posted winMTR, so the issue has been fixed in the background somehow, or passed?

guessing it might be due to less people actively raiding already, or something blizz did in the background (if anything?)

We have seen a low, but somewhat constant, amount of reports for this over the past few weeks. The common denominator seems to be the region/ISP used - so best we can tell, that is where the issue would originate from.

I’d definitely recommend for anyone who is affected to have a chat with the ISPs network/peering support team.

YEP, this is the reason I asked Telzi. I don’t even play WoW anymore, but I’m having horrible packet loss / lag during afternoons. The common denominator here is

" ae1.cr2.prinsg39.as2116 . net "
This server and other in that place is when my packetloss starts.
It’s the server the ISP rents their line from, which makes it hard to fix.