Very short and simple; let water striders keep water walking
If blizzard is going to go through with this then so be it I guess, but why punish players who have grinded out their water strider for its unique ability, just to replace it with a new grind whether it be gold to buy the weirdo shoes or materials to craft them (if this is the case, which it seems to be from what I’ve read.)
Just let Water striders keep their unique ability along with the changes.
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I’ve thought that they are not going to take the ability from it, which means, that you could have 2 mount equipment at the same time if you use the strider.
But I am not sure about this, so do not take it as a fact.
Current plan is that they are. Shredders are keeping their harvesting ability, but those cannot benefit from mount equipment.
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On all the sites that the changes were mentioned they seemed to suggest (if not flat out state) that the Water walking ability would be exclusive to the shoes (except for of course shammy, death knight etc. Abilities.)
Oh, they did not mention it in the presentation or I did not notice it. That is not a good news 
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I agree that regardless of the mount equipments, they should keep it for strider
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Maybe they can make mount equipment inactive for some mounts, which have their own passive abilites like Waterstrider.
I see, why players are so upset about it right now (I am trying to avoid spoilers, so I’ve seen just the presentation)
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You didnt really read the patch notes fully did you? It will be a lot better, and you will still be able to water walk on strider if you prefer to use strider. They even give a really good advantage to ppl who already have strider, so whats the point of this thread really?
Players who have the waterstrider won’t get punished though. The item you need to apply waterwalking to your mount is bought from the same faction, so the grinding wasn’t wasted. Players with waterstriders also get one of the items for free, so you can just use it on your waterstrider if that’s what you want. Letting them keep the ability means that the mount has two abilities which doesn’t really solve the problem of it being over-used.
I welcome the changes, because it then means that I and others won’t be pidgeonholed into using the strider in some areas, and can use a mount I like better (and see other people using more interesting mounts). The DKs do get shafted a bit though with the loss of their Waterwalking ability.
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If there was any consistency to these pointless mount changes, Sky Golems would and should lose the “herbing while mounted” ability.
It’s yet another nonsensical tweak by the Devs that nobody asked for, was never a real problem and benefits only the voices in Blizzard’s head.
Even Voyager One which is 20 Billion miles away is more in touch than Blizzard.
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I feel kind of bad for the players who actually took the time to get anglers rep to max back in MoP.
Doesn’t really affect those of us who bought the rep with timeless badges
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They should change it’s name to “Not-so water strider”. This change is just stupid, and I’ll give you my biggest reason why.
Right now, certain mounts are unique, and so everyone either has it, or wants to get it. With this new system, NO mount is unique anymore (Except Sky Golem, but it won’t be long before Blizz removes this as well I bet).
Oh yes, this is not a punishment. “I know you did the grind, but guess what, that means you can get it at a discount!” This shouldn’t be the case, it’s a slap in the face to ANYONE who spent the weeks grinding that stupid rep JUST for the strider, and another slap to the face to those who grinded the red one from WoD.
You must not know how it actually works, so let me explain. It’s not “per mount”, it adds it to ALL mounts. From what I’ve seen, the mount slot is in your collection screen and isn’t connected to “specific mounts”. Meaning, you either choose to have water walking on all mounts, not being dazed on all mounts, or the stupid glider on all mounts.
Again, this does not scream “unique” to me. They are removing what is unique and just adding it to everything instead.
And yet they’ve allowed Sky Golems to keep their ability and have said you can’t use this mount equipment on it? Why couldn’t they do this with the water strider? Why did they NEED to remove it and add a water walking thing instead? Couldn’t they have thought of better things for other mounts? Or maybe follow what GW2 is doing, and each specific mount family has a special ability.
There’s going to be barely ANY diversity in mounts anymore. Yes, you may see different mounts now, but, what’s the point in farming more? That dragon is just the same as that pig, so why would I farm it? Mount A is the same as Mount B and gives me the same benefits, so what’s the point in me farming mount B when I already have mount A?
I don’t understand how people can use this waterstrider so much. I have one, I travel all the zones, yet I don’t really use mine THAT much. The only main time is in Tiragarde when I want to get from one side to the other. Everywhere else, you’re capable of easily getting around without it.
Shamans had Water walking before DK’s did, DK’s are just more “convenient” because it’s AoE (basically).
Again, my biggest gripe with ALL of this is this just seems like they’re going in the wrong direction. They’re removing what is unique in the game for “convenience” and nothing more. They are making things “easier” for players who haven’t been here long, whilst they shaft those that have. It’s upsetting to be punished after spending the time farming for things.
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Watch Jeremy Feasel’s presentation on the new patch
He says that in the new patch, as part of the new mount equipment feature, you will be able to buy mount shoes to allow any mount of your choice to walk on water. Those who already have a water strider will get a pair for free so that you can keep on using the strider if that’s your preference.
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I don’t see the harm in letting it keep its passive water walking ability at the cost of no equipment slot. Like the Sky Golem.
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Woooow, someone needs to unpick their knickers! Seriously, maybe you won’t get worked up over such little things.
What I heard was that you still need exalted for the item, meaning that you would have to do the grind now to unlock the waterwalking item, meaning your reward has been upgraded from a specific mount that can waterwalk to waterwalking on any mount you want. I could be wrong about that, but even if that’s not the case you still have the mount itself as a reward, and if you really switch the perks that often then the discount will become valuable. And once again, if you already have the mount, you get given one of the item for free when the patch launches, which too is a reward just for having done that grind. How many more rewards do you want for a grind that takes 2 weeks max and that’s now 5 years old? I have max rep with the Hydraxian Waterlords but that has no benefit whatsoever, nor do I expect it to.
Same with the other waterstrider mount - you still have it, you can still use it, and people will still acknowledge it as much as they currently do, just as with any other mount you have to work for. You can still have waterwalking on it, or if you’re not as bothered about waterwalking as you say further on in your post, you can have a different perk for it along with the other mounts.
Alright, I’ll admit I got that wrong. Doesn’t really change my mind or any of my arguments unless they turn out to be super expensive, but then that’s the pricing not the concept itself that is the issue (though it would negate the triviality of a faction discount if it did turn out to be expensive).
Yeah, I don’t really like Sky Golem keeping it’s ability to itself either, and tbh never liked it having it in the first place. Mind you, it only influences herbers. As for removing it, it’s pretty obvious why - it’s so that you don’t get two perks on one mount. I don’t know how I can put that any more simply than I did. If it gets waterwalking and the other ability, it diminishes the buyable waterwalking item and every other mount for not having something additional.
No, this change is doing the opposite. People go after specific mounts specifically because they look cool or because it shows an achievement (or that they’ve gotten lucky enough to grind one), and only use certain other ones if they feel they need to (such as using waterstrider when getting around Northern Nazmir or the start of Tol Dagor). That’s just inherent to the game and will never change. This at least removes the need to only use waterstriders when you need waterwalking, if you so choose the perk, meaning the guy with Ashes of Al’al doesn’t need to get off his sick mount to get on a crummy waterstrider for the perk alone. If there was never any difference, it won’t have mattered from the beginning of the game, because mounts having a special perk is an exception not a rule.
I agree that taking away uniqueness is a problem, but what you don’t see is that I see this as adding to unqiueness by allowing people to use whatever mount they want in whichever situation they want. I’d rather people did waterwalking with their favourite, rarest mounts than with the same strider all of the time. Some people just slap the strider onto their mount hotkey because that’s more convenient, but maybe they’d ride something more individual to that player instead after these changes. And again, what benefit are you getting from other old reputations, other than different looking mounts and maybe some transmog or toys?
Most people completed the rep grind for this one specific thing, and nothing more. Removing that reward and adding a “discount” to how much it costs is just stupid. It’s just gold sinking something that was in the game already.
The mount itself was grinded by me and many others for the SOLE PURPOSE of the water-walking ability. I don’t like the look of it, but it was helpful.
I mean, it’s literally called “Water Strider”… Are they now going to change it’s name, since it now doesn’t do what it’s name suggests?
The red strider is a lot more annoying and grindy to get, so no, people won’t acknowledge that you have it, and the person who has it will feel cheated out of something THEY worked for, which is now being “given” to people who didn’t work for it.
I never said that I wasn’t bothered about water walking, I said that it’s not as needed as Blizzard and some people make it out to be.
This is nothing but a gold sink and a kick in the teeth to anyone who spent those 2 weeks grinding the rep for this specific mount, or spent that 20+ hours of grinding for the red one. Those grinds were now basically worthless, wasted time on the players part.
The whole “But you get it cheaper” is just moronic as well. We shouldn’t HAVE to pay for it, we WORKED for those mounts (Those who actually did the quests rather than getting it through TW). It would be like saying “Oh, I see you have Zandalari rep to exalted, well, now you can pay 100k to have them unlocked, how does that sound!”
From what I’ve seen, it costs 1k gold each (Dunno what it will cost on the AH), but these prices could be changed. Still doesn’t change the fact it’s just another gold sink for Blizzard so they can sell more tokens.
And, again, I’ll point out that they were able to keep the sky golem with it’s special ability AND also not allow you to use another perk with it. So, why couldn’t they do this with water striders? Why did they need to remove it from the water striders and make an item for it, rather than something new?
Again, Sky Golem doesn’t get this perk. They can’t use the mount equipment, so how come they couldn’t do it with Water walking?
The last 2 parts, I do get your point, but I don’t feel like this will happen. Yes, we’ll get to see all different mounts because the same ones won’t be used by everyone. But, that doesn’t make them “unique”. Unique is having a reason to have said mounts, giving you something unique that others don’t. With this added equipment slot, it removes the whole unique mounts concept.
As I said, if they did what GW2 does with their mounts, they would please the majority of the playerbase. Add unique abilities to different family of mounts (Like the water striders). This is just removing unique for convenience, removing what players worked for to give to those that won’t do the work.
I get that it’s 5 year old content, but, in those 5 years, that could have easily expanded on this. They could have added more unique mounts, with new abilities (Like gliding and other things). Give us MORE unique mounts, not take away the ones we have and make all mounts the same.
I decided to comment on this last, since this is nothing but a personal attack and should never be apart of a discussion. My feelings are how others feel as well, there’s plenty of uproar about this change, so it’s not just me.
How this game is going, new players/people returning from breaks are being fed on a silver platter, whilst those who stuck around are being pushed into the corner and told to “deal with it”. It’s wrong, and is just a major money grab by them.
They are making as many gold-sinks as possible to be able to sell more tokens, they slow speeding down a lot to get more people to buy boosts/race changes. It just SCREAMS money-grabbing to me. Now, I may be wrong in this, but it’s just how it feels.
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No, no it is not. They had the benefit of having water walking for all of that time, this is what we farmed for. This would be like being angry at a game going on sale a few years after you bought it because you had to pay full price for it.
But it is though, for those who did it. Again, the sole purpose of grinding that rep was for the water strider, nothing else. The reason people did it is because of it’s unique ability to walk on water. There was no other benefit for having that rep expect for the strider, which is now useless. It’s just another normal boring mount on top of the rest of the normal boring mounts.
Again, I love the idea of mount equipment, but they didn’t need to remove something that was seriously easy to get now from the game, just to re-add it at a cost for everyone. They could have expanded on it more.
You argue about this just rephrase this want waterstrider keep water walking but not be able to use any mount equipment DONE.
I have waterstrider not much farm tbh did it via TW like everyone who did not played mop…
I will fly when this drops on my class mount/starseeker …rephrase what you want to what i said and ask for being exception like harvesting mount…
I “worked” for my shiny mythic gear in legion now everyone with almost 0 effort compared to mythic raider can get it like … guys when something like that happends to you even when you still can waterwalking … just …
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I have said that a few times, that they should have kept it the same as the others, like the sky golem. They didn’t need to remove the ability from 1 mount and add it to every mount, they should have come up with better ideas. Like land speed, fall distance, jump mechanics and plenty of other things.
If they kept the ability on water striders, no one would care that it can just be brought and used on other mounts. It is literally just the removal of something that people worked for that’s the problem.
This is something different though. You EXPECT this to happen each patch/expansion, otherwise there would be no “character building” in the game at all, and it would be boring.
But, you don’t expect to farm for something, only for the devs to remove the whole reason you farmed it in the first place, if you know what I mean?