Alliance get Quilboar as a playable race.
With Mankrik as warchief this will fuel the next faction war.
Alliance get Quilboar as a playable race.
With Mankrik as warchief this will fuel the next faction war.
The Faction War has always been restarted. Ever since this game began.
You really think that will end now?
For the time being, yes.
And that time is plenty to set Calia up as the leader of The Forsaken during a time when The Alliance and The Horde will be best friends again and work together to defeat some Old Gods and other evil cosmic forces.
What comes after that is almost irrelevant, because Blizzard have plenty of time to prepare for it.
The biggest flaw I see in your assumption, is that you think Calia is incapable of being the enemy of The Alliance. But Calia is not the Calia Menethil from the Priest Order Hall anymore. She is some creation of the Naaru and The Light. And we know from Legion that The Light isnāt necessarily a force of good so much as a force zealously pursuing its own agenda. And Calia is now part of that agenda ā tool, asset, or otherwise.
Sheās not the Lordaeron human-being anymore. I think thatās hinted at quite clearly during the dialogue between her, Jaina, and Derek. Sheās someone else now.
Sure, but I have a hard time seeing the leader of the Forsaken being Yrel 2.0.
Stop trying to push the ālightā theme onto the Forsaken.
The entire Forsaken race / faction idea is about individuals that have been forsaken ( pun intended ) by everyone , including the light.
Thatās why one of the reasons the latest CGI cinematic sucked so much. The forsaken guard next to Sylvanas shouldnāt had cared at all when Sylvanas yelled āthe horde is nothingā. Watch the forsaken intro cinematic the narrator clearly states " holding no true loyalty to their horde allies,the forsaken have entered an alliance of convenience".
So please. Adding Calia ,a light infused Forsaken ( lol ) as racial leader to them is an insult to the race itself with nothing in common with their beliefs.
The orcs have been ruined every expansion, donāt do the same with the undead forsaken.Unless you want all races to lose their identity and become just another human copycat.
I donāt.
Thatās not true. Lore-wise The Forsaken are perfectly capable of wielding The Light ā it just burns them in the process. Sir Zeliek is a good example.
And if I were to speculate, Iād harbor a guess that Blizzard will offer Lightforged customization to The Forsaken through Calia. Then you can choose if you want to remain your old rotten self, holding a torch for Sylvannas, or if you want to be part of The Light.
Yes, but that happened many years ago under Sylvannasā rule. But Blizzard have depicted time and time again that The Forsaken isnāt entirely united in its goals. Varimathras, Putress, Lillian, and the events of Before the Storm comes to mind.
Itās not good story to just keep everything in a permanent stasis, forever unchanged. This is not Super Mario Bros. weāre playing. Things change, they should change.
Anwyay, slight rant. Itāll be Calia.
So by this logic, Calia has about 10 min left to āliveā
Iāll say it again, light infused undead should never be a thing.
Iād argue that Alonsus Faol is a better exampleā¦
But do you want the Faction War dynamic to end then? Thatās one thing about WoW that has remained static since its conceptionā¦
Alliance vs Horde, forever and ever it seems. No matter what.
Maybe⦠I wouldnāt mind it if the Faction War ended permanentlyā¦
If Blizz insist on keeping it going, Iād rather see a relaxation for racial restrictions for the factions.
So that some Forsaken could choose to follow Calia in the Alliance, while some would follow (insert leader here) in the Horde.
Sure.
I think that theme will continue. But I donāt think weāre going to jump from one full-scaled faction war and into the next right away. So the focus will move onto something else for a while. Whether thatās something like Class Order Halls like in Legion, or a speculated Light and Void allegiance, or whatever, I donāt know.
But I donāt think itās a challenge for Blizzard to write Calia as a character that fits The Forsaken and The Horde, because she is basically a blank page in her current form of existence.
And if Blizzard wants to do another faction war, then I think theyāll at least have the next expansion to set her up for that.
That would be like Tom and Jerry making permanent peace. The showās over then.
I think Blizzard are moving toward something in that line of thinking. How itāll manifest itself remains to be seen, but looking years down the line, I would not be surprised if the current Horde vs. Alliance appeared a bit differentā¦somehow.
Weāll see.
They wonāt redo the battlegrounds into Hordiance vs Sylvanas Faction. Especially since they reworked Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin in BfA.
I assume they will return into vanilla level of hostilities. No open war but border conflicts and minor skirmishes for ressources.
Hmm I think you will find it is still Sylvanas. Donāt think she has resigned yet and she is still alive so she is still the current Warchief. She is also leader of the Forsaken. So you talk as a traitor and you know what Sylvanas does to traitors.
Calia Menethil is in bed with Anduin and should be shot on sight. I cannot believe how many supposed Horde players side with the Alliance now. Shows the state of the game.
Sylvanas will return as leader of the Forsaken but not as Warchief ( someone else said it as well, canāt recall name ) when we find out she is fighting for the greater good.
It aināt gonna be pretty story telling but itās going to happen.
Meh⦠Nothing lasts foreverā¦
I can only handle so many rounds on the merry-go-round before I throw upā¦
Weāve been around the same circle so many times I just donāt find the lore halfway believable anymore⦠If the war keeps going that isā¦
Most of the faction leaders are on friendly terms, both the Alliance and the Horde are completely exhausted and war wearyā¦
Through Gennās comments we know the Alliance is running out of soldiers at this point and I canāt imagine the Horde is doing much better.
Even if all the faction leaders hated each others guts, it takes time to build up forces, after staggering losses, let a generation grow so they can be recruited into the military.
Besides, Iād like seeing Sylvanas start another faction. A faction that would be playable, then the Horde and Alliance could pool their resources.
Then it would be Horde/Alliance vs Sylvanasā faction (call it whatever you want).
If she traveled to Icecrown and wrest control of the Scourge away from Bolvar, sheād have a lot of military power.
We know there are a lot of Scourge left in Northrend because they needed to implement a new Lich King to keep them in place, so they wouldnāt threaten Azeroth. To control them.
If Sylvanas got control of those forces, sheād be a dangerous enemy.
Wouldnāt be hard if they decided to do so. All the assets are there, all the mechanics. They would just need to reskin them.
Temporary⦠Until the inevitable new turn on the merry-go-round.
If that happens Iāll probably find something else to playā¦
Seen this Faction War on/off thing for 14 years now⦠Iām ready for something completely newā¦
Whether itās WoW or a completely different game.
I wouldnāt mind a never ending Faction War if it was never ending from the start, and we didnāt team up every other expansion.
And our leaders didnāt become friends.
But now that weāre there, Iād rather see a Horde/Alliance coalition than a restart to the faction war.
Sure. And like I said, I think itāll be some time before another full-blown faction war. Though Iām sure Blizzard will find ways to rekindle the flames of war (Tyrande and the Night Elves perhaps).
I think itās worth keeping time into perspective here. The Warcraft story is not going anywhere. It is 25 years old and if Blizzard were to withhold any Alliance vs. Horde war for another 5 years so they can cooperate against something else, then that would not be a long pause in whatās inevitably turning out to be a much longer story told.
Thereās no rush.
For me at least, the point is that if Blizz wanted a never ending Faction War, Horde and Alliance should never cooperate in the first placeā¦
Cooperation breeds friendship, something that shouldnāt exist between the two factions if they want endless war.
And why make over half the Faction leaders friends if what they want is a never ending Faction War? At this point it becomes hard to believe that any of them would want war, even if Tyrande does something stupid.
Anduin: We are friends, Baine.
Baine: Yes we are buddy!
Tyrande attacks the Orcs.
Anduin: YOU MUST DIE COW-MAN!
Baine: BRING IT ON PINKSKIN!
It doesnāt make much sense to me⦠Then it would be better if Baine and Anduin never became friends, and Anduin was a carbon-copy of his father. If Blizz wants more war.
And why make Saurfang make a big deal about breaking the cycle and Jaina making a big deal about us being different this time, when Thrall says whatās different this time?
For me it isnāt the case of āPeace or Nothing!ā
Itās that the lore should make at least a little bit sense.
I know this is a fantasy game, but the people in it should at least be a little believable.
An endless cycle of Cooperation ā> Warfare ā> Cooperation ā> Warfare isnāt believable⦠Thatās my problem with itā¦
Panda warchief.
I think Blizzard are setting it up so that Tyrande is not responding to Anduinās phone calls.
Baine and Anduin can be best buddies if they want, Tyrande will still do her own thing. As sheās done so far in BfAā¦
But Iām speculating. Weāll see how it turns out.
I donāt think itās difficult to write a story that goes back and forth between war and peace, or all out war, or long-lasting peace, if any of that is what Blizzard wants. I mean, real-life history offers it all in spades, thereās no shortage of inspiration to draw from.
Sure, Iām not saying it doesnāt make sense for Tyrande to do whatever it is sheās doing⦠What Iām saying is that it (at this point) doesnāt make sense for her actions to trigger all-out-war no matter what sheās doingā¦
Itās not difficult to write any story, itās the quality of the story Iām more concerned aboutā¦
And thereās really no real-life comparison to the endless back and forth between the Alliance and the Horde.
Sweden and Denmark back in the day fought a lot, but they didnāt become buddies in between each fight. It was on and off sure, but there wasnāt friendship between their leaders.
Same thing with ye olde France and England.
But as you say, weāll see what happens.
Hogger since the warchief always has to die for no good reasons and Hogger clearly has made some form of pact with the devil to always come back.
What if the Forsaken decided to no longer be under the Horde? I mean they just experienced a major betrayal burn.