Let's appoint the new horde leaders here

Alliance get Quilboar as a playable race.

With Mankrik as warchief this will fuel the next faction war.

The Faction War has always been restarted. Ever since this game began.

You really think that will end now?

For the time being, yes.

And that time is plenty to set Calia up as the leader of The Forsaken during a time when The Alliance and The Horde will be best friends again and work together to defeat some Old Gods and other evil cosmic forces.

What comes after that is almost irrelevant, because Blizzard have plenty of time to prepare for it.

The biggest flaw I see in your assumption, is that you think Calia is incapable of being the enemy of The Alliance. But Calia is not the Calia Menethil from the Priest Order Hall anymore. She is some creation of the Naaru and The Light. And we know from Legion that The Light isn’t necessarily a force of good so much as a force zealously pursuing its own agenda. And Calia is now part of that agenda – tool, asset, or otherwise.
She’s not the Lordaeron human-being anymore. I think that’s hinted at quite clearly during the dialogue between her, Jaina, and Derek. She’s someone else now.

Sure, but I have a hard time seeing the leader of the Forsaken being Yrel 2.0.

Stop trying to push the ā€œlightā€ theme onto the Forsaken.

The entire Forsaken race / faction idea is about individuals that have been forsaken ( pun intended ) by everyone , including the light.

That’s why one of the reasons the latest CGI cinematic sucked so much. The forsaken guard next to Sylvanas shouldn’t had cared at all when Sylvanas yelled ā€œthe horde is nothingā€. Watch the forsaken intro cinematic the narrator clearly states " holding no true loyalty to their horde allies,the forsaken have entered an alliance of convenience".

So please. Adding Calia ,a light infused Forsaken ( lol ) as racial leader to them is an insult to the race itself with nothing in common with their beliefs.

The orcs have been ruined every expansion, don’t do the same with the undead forsaken.Unless you want all races to lose their identity and become just another human copycat.

I don’t.

That’s not true. Lore-wise The Forsaken are perfectly capable of wielding The Light – it just burns them in the process. Sir Zeliek is a good example.

And if I were to speculate, I’d harbor a guess that Blizzard will offer Lightforged customization to The Forsaken through Calia. Then you can choose if you want to remain your old rotten self, holding a torch for Sylvannas, or if you want to be part of The Light.

Yes, but that happened many years ago under Sylvannas’ rule. But Blizzard have depicted time and time again that The Forsaken isn’t entirely united in its goals. Varimathras, Putress, Lillian, and the events of Before the Storm comes to mind.

It’s not good story to just keep everything in a permanent stasis, forever unchanged. This is not Super Mario Bros. we’re playing. Things change, they should change.

Anwyay, slight rant. It’ll be Calia. :yum:

So by this logic, Calia has about 10 min left to ā€œliveā€

I’ll say it again, light infused undead should never be a thing.

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I’d argue that Alonsus Faol is a better example…

But do you want the Faction War dynamic to end then? That’s one thing about WoW that has remained static since its conception…
Alliance vs Horde, forever and ever it seems. No matter what.

Maybe… I wouldn’t mind it if the Faction War ended permanently…
If Blizz insist on keeping it going, I’d rather see a relaxation for racial restrictions for the factions.
So that some Forsaken could choose to follow Calia in the Alliance, while some would follow (insert leader here) in the Horde.

Sure.

I think that theme will continue. But I don’t think we’re going to jump from one full-scaled faction war and into the next right away. So the focus will move onto something else for a while. Whether that’s something like Class Order Halls like in Legion, or a speculated Light and Void allegiance, or whatever, I don’t know.

But I don’t think it’s a challenge for Blizzard to write Calia as a character that fits The Forsaken and The Horde, because she is basically a blank page in her current form of existence.
And if Blizzard wants to do another faction war, then I think they’ll at least have the next expansion to set her up for that.

That would be like Tom and Jerry making permanent peace. The show’s over then. :neutral_face:

I think Blizzard are moving toward something in that line of thinking. How it’ll manifest itself remains to be seen, but looking years down the line, I would not be surprised if the current Horde vs. Alliance appeared a bit different…somehow.
We’ll see. :yum:

They won’t redo the battlegrounds into Hordiance vs Sylvanas Faction. Especially since they reworked Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin in BfA.

I assume they will return into vanilla level of hostilities. No open war but border conflicts and minor skirmishes for ressources.

Hmm I think you will find it is still Sylvanas. Don’t think she has resigned yet and she is still alive so she is still the current Warchief. She is also leader of the Forsaken. So you talk as a traitor and you know what Sylvanas does to traitors.

Calia Menethil is in bed with Anduin and should be shot on sight. I cannot believe how many supposed Horde players side with the Alliance now. Shows the state of the game.

Sylvanas will return as leader of the Forsaken but not as Warchief ( someone else said it as well, can’t recall name ) when we find out she is fighting for the greater good.

It ain’t gonna be pretty story telling but it’s going to happen.

Meh… Nothing lasts forever…

I can only handle so many rounds on the merry-go-round before I throw up…

We’ve been around the same circle so many times I just don’t find the lore halfway believable anymore… If the war keeps going that is…

Most of the faction leaders are on friendly terms, both the Alliance and the Horde are completely exhausted and war weary…
Through Genn’s comments we know the Alliance is running out of soldiers at this point and I can’t imagine the Horde is doing much better.

Even if all the faction leaders hated each others guts, it takes time to build up forces, after staggering losses, let a generation grow so they can be recruited into the military.

Besides, I’d like seeing Sylvanas start another faction. A faction that would be playable, then the Horde and Alliance could pool their resources.
Then it would be Horde/Alliance vs Sylvanas’ faction (call it whatever you want).

If she traveled to Icecrown and wrest control of the Scourge away from Bolvar, she’d have a lot of military power.
We know there are a lot of Scourge left in Northrend because they needed to implement a new Lich King to keep them in place, so they wouldn’t threaten Azeroth. To control them.
If Sylvanas got control of those forces, she’d be a dangerous enemy.

Wouldn’t be hard if they decided to do so. All the assets are there, all the mechanics. They would just need to reskin them.

Temporary… Until the inevitable new turn on the merry-go-round.
If that happens I’ll probably find something else to play…
Seen this Faction War on/off thing for 14 years now… I’m ready for something completely new…
Whether it’s WoW or a completely different game.

I wouldn’t mind a never ending Faction War if it was never ending from the start, and we didn’t team up every other expansion.
And our leaders didn’t become friends.

But now that we’re there, I’d rather see a Horde/Alliance coalition than a restart to the faction war.

Sure. And like I said, I think it’ll be some time before another full-blown faction war. Though I’m sure Blizzard will find ways to rekindle the flames of war (Tyrande and the Night Elves perhaps).

I think it’s worth keeping time into perspective here. The Warcraft story is not going anywhere. It is 25 years old and if Blizzard were to withhold any Alliance vs. Horde war for another 5 years so they can cooperate against something else, then that would not be a long pause in what’s inevitably turning out to be a much longer story told.
There’s no rush. :yum:

For me at least, the point is that if Blizz wanted a never ending Faction War, Horde and Alliance should never cooperate in the first place…

Cooperation breeds friendship, something that shouldn’t exist between the two factions if they want endless war.

And why make over half the Faction leaders friends if what they want is a never ending Faction War? At this point it becomes hard to believe that any of them would want war, even if Tyrande does something stupid.

Anduin: We are friends, Baine.
Baine: Yes we are buddy!
Tyrande attacks the Orcs.
Anduin: YOU MUST DIE COW-MAN!
Baine: BRING IT ON PINKSKIN!

It doesn’t make much sense to me… Then it would be better if Baine and Anduin never became friends, and Anduin was a carbon-copy of his father. If Blizz wants more war.

And why make Saurfang make a big deal about breaking the cycle and Jaina making a big deal about us being different this time, when Thrall says what’s different this time?

For me it isn’t the case of ā€œPeace or Nothing!ā€
It’s that the lore should make at least a little bit sense.
I know this is a fantasy game, but the people in it should at least be a little believable.

An endless cycle of Cooperation —> Warfare —> Cooperation —> Warfare isn’t believable… That’s my problem with it…

Panda warchief.

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I think Blizzard are setting it up so that Tyrande is not responding to Anduin’s phone calls.
Baine and Anduin can be best buddies if they want, Tyrande will still do her own thing. As she’s done so far in BfA…

But I’m speculating. We’ll see how it turns out.

I don’t think it’s difficult to write a story that goes back and forth between war and peace, or all out war, or long-lasting peace, if any of that is what Blizzard wants. I mean, real-life history offers it all in spades, there’s no shortage of inspiration to draw from.

Sure, I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense for Tyrande to do whatever it is she’s doing… What I’m saying is that it (at this point) doesn’t make sense for her actions to trigger all-out-war no matter what she’s doing…

It’s not difficult to write any story, it’s the quality of the story I’m more concerned about…

And there’s really no real-life comparison to the endless back and forth between the Alliance and the Horde.
Sweden and Denmark back in the day fought a lot, but they didn’t become buddies in between each fight. It was on and off sure, but there wasn’t friendship between their leaders.
Same thing with ye olde France and England.

But as you say, we’ll see what happens.

Hogger since the warchief always has to die for no good reasons and Hogger clearly has made some form of pact with the devil to always come back.

What if the Forsaken decided to no longer be under the Horde? I mean they just experienced a major betrayal burn.