Lets talk about chains of ice

Well, this is actually what a rogue is designed for in pvp. I mean, hes leather armor need to kill people with tricks/stuns, beeing agile and no armor your not ment to facetank warriors and general facetank dmg.

So maybe the thing we need to talk about isnt the fact of cc and burst, more about how a class suposed to kill in setups etc. deal dmg by tunneling/pveing like warriors.

Same goes with fire mage. What happened to setup playstiles…

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His nerf idea was not compared to other specs. It was “slight nerf to Kidney CD”. My point which you quoted but failed to understand is that the stun lasts 6s, and if you train a target you need to wait for DRs to stun again so you need to wait an extra 20s after the end of the stun, which means that in terms of pure ST pressure 20s CD or 26s CD is CLOSE TO THE SAME as you need 26s between each Kidney Shot on the same target. Which is why it makes more sense to nerf what does make Kidney really OP right now, and that’s Internal Bleeding.

Also, compared to other specs is bullcrap. Oh Rets have a stun dispel, completely broken compared to other specs rhzt can’t do it! Wow wow wow! And even Ferals have a root! Completely broken compared to specs that don’t have roots! Seriously… Classes are different. Rogues have Kidney. It was always in the game, it wasn’t that big of a deal before, it doesn’t take a genius to understand that something recent linked to Kidney is more of an issue than Kidney since Kindey wasn’t an issue in the past.

See this sentence? Complete bullcrap. Survival Hunters less mobile than Rogues? I play both. As Rogue what so I have? Shadowstep, 25y range, 30s CD. Sprint, makes me slow immune for 4s if talented but doesn’t remove the slow, and doesn’t immune roots, 1min CD. As a Hunter I have Harpoon, 40y range 20s CD, Disengage, removes all snares and roots and gives me a speed boost, 20s cd, and Master’s call, removes and immunes all roots and slows for 4s, and I have Cheetah. Oh and a Warrior has charge, same range as step, less cd, he has heroic leap, less cd than sprint, and he has bladestorm to break roots and slows. And btw there is little difference between a slowed warrior and a slowed rogue. Slowed rogue? Step. Slowed warrior ? Charge. Charge has a lower CD. Slowed rogue again? Sprint with a talent if you have it, or nothing unless you want to blow a major defensive like cloak IF the slow if magic. Slowed warrior again? Leap on target. And then Bladestorm. Ah and rooted rogue? No usable spell. Rooted warrior? Bladestorm.

Have you played all these 3 specs to get some real understanding of how they play out or are you throwing random forum posts?

And btw stop with this :

This is stupid.

Oh Hunters have a 8s cd incap, instant, I don’t think other classes have?

Oh Mages have a spell to teleport themselves forward, I don’t think other classes have ?

Oh Warlocks can put a Demonic Gate up, I don’t think other classes have?

Oh Shamans can drop a totem that removes fear, I don’t think other classes can?

Classes are supposed to be UNIQUE. It is NORMAL that classes have stuff that others do not have. If you want something normalized without any difference between the classes, go play a game with no classes, only one character, one attack one heal one burst and you’re good to go.

As the guy above me posted, Rogues used to be a set up class. The stuns, the Kidney were needed here and were part of a designed that people LIKED. Of course other classes that don’t revolve around the same playstyle don’t get a Kidney or a Blind too. But for the same reason a Rogue doesn’t get Deathstrike and Blessing of Protection - like spells.

chains of ice is broken but so is poisoned knife with rogues toolkit :slight_smile:

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Well it is the second best slow in the game after all. Only 10% less than Chains, and dispellable by Monks Paladins and Druids when Chains isn’t dispellable but still, nothing else beats it aside Chains of Ice.

So yeah, it’s totally one of the details that make Assa very strong. See someone run, knive, and the guy doesn’t run. Unless it’s a DH, DHs don’t run. They jump. #neverkited

They hadn’t much in the past (pre Legion), but a DK can nowadays kite any melee. They can’t be slowed below 70% (passively) and while most melees can only slow from melee range, they slow anyone from 30 (40?!) yards range down to 30% runspeed. So in fact, if you compare them with most other melees, they move 233% faster than their opponents do.

Their mobility was bad before legion, but since it’s pretty good right now, there is no need anymore for such a slow. Not to mention that quite a few classes dropped mobility, which makes it even more easier to reach/kite them…

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Why is this guy always crying about balance, he is clearly a bad player who wants to blame everything and everyone other then himself.

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150+ games with 50% winratio in 2s at 1.6k rating as a DH is one of the most embrassing things I’ve ever heard of… :woozy_face: But calling in such a situation anyone else as a bad player is probably the most retarded thing I could think of :man_facepalming:

In such a shame most of us would wish the ground would open and swallow us up…

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Why would you nerf something that actually needs to be completely removed from the game?

I think chains of ice is fine, but only without deaths advance. If they insist on keeping DA available with the current state of CoI, then CoI needs to cost two runes, or it needs a CD.

Listen up deludey pie,

My current ratings and win ratios are irrelevant.

I only returned a couple months ago and these are all freshly levelled 120s, majority my losses came when gearing up from ilvl300 to 420… even still I’m under geared plus I play with randoms with no voice com, I play for fun, if I wanted to be rank 1 I could.

Get good son

But dk slow cost runes .

Are they if you dare to call anyone else a bad player… :thinking:

I’m a on/off player but still not hardstucked on such low ratings. Not even on my worst day with the worst random I could find from tool, I would be play on such mmrs…

BUT even if I would, I would never dare to act like a pro and call other players bad!!!

etc.

And that from someone who reached 2.2k in 2s back in 2009 (probably DK). In 3s your highest acm is 1750. So no my little retarded DH: it’s not a reasoning that you maybe haven’t played in a long time (I see acms in 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, … as well), it’s just a fact that you never got any serious ratings.

You may think 2.2k in 2s is something, but beside the fact that good players have 3k+ 2s xp, there is a reason why you don’t get titles/mounts from 2s.

Well, if you could you wouldn’t just say it, you would mute me up by showing the acm.

If you are the one to compare with, I and 50%+ of this forum already reached god mode! :slight_smile:

Nice words.

I’ve said all I wanted to say here:

My actions will always speak louder then your words, you big mouth noob.

All you do is criticise and complain.

All I do is win and make positive content.

Get on my level.

Better than acting like a pro while being a filthy noob.

And something you still haven’t understood so far: I complain because I know how this game work - you play the strongest and most forgiving class ingame (especially in 2s) and can’t get above 1.6k cr, so you basically have no right at all to post since you have no clue at all.

As I’ve already said: Even at my worst day I couldn’t reach this noob level you are playing on your best day. No matter how hard I would try, I couldn’t play as bad even if I wanted to…

P.S.: Sorry, but I won’t spend another second with your videos. I watched your dh video for like 30 seconds and saw in that time span more fail plays than most people couldn’t do in a whole game. Not to mention your language…

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I just check your armory you lose 40 percent of your arena games when you play on a ilvl440+ monk one of most strongest classes on the current try hard meta comps, your most likely carried in a lot of your victories aswell since your playing on Outland alliance land of the try hard dweebs.

Point proven clearly your a bang average big mouth, all talk and no walk.

Bye Felicia

I’m not sure whether that’s serious or not so just in case I’ll point out that Poisoned Knife costs 45 energy.

Would actually be enough to proof that you have no clue. Monk is deffo not weak, but also not one of the most strongest in the current meta. Any comp that you can play as a monk is stronger with another class - which you would know, if you had any clue of this game.

So what? You lose 50% of your games which only proofs how hardstucked you are. And since you checked me (hopefully you haven’t confused me with Cutîepie) you should have seen how much our ratings drift apart.

But you still dare to call me a bad/average big mouth player, while you sink in the basement of the ladder being 1k++ rating behind… Some people really have no shame anymore!

Doesn’t even make sense - beside the fact that I don’t play on outland, you do know that aren’t realmpools anymore and you can play with who ever you want to in your region, right?! In easier words (since you miss some iq): Your realm doesn’t matter, only your faction.

Hook line and sinker for you captain a Badatron.

Yes I have a 50% win ratio playing with randoms and playing majority of my games below ilvl400.

Whilst you only have a 60% with best PVP in slot items and Ilvl on the try hard faction and server of EU, being carried by Better players.

And yet you only manage a 10 percent better ratio HAHAHAHAHA,

If you can’t see how bad this makes you look, you’ve truly lost the plot newbie pie.

Xaxaxaxaxa get on my level!!!

At a rating you can’t even dream of. Even if you would pay loony+zeepeye for a “coaching”, you’d need a billion-dollar loan to even get close to my rating.

And it’s actually more than just 10% as I currently see…

And the 3rd time today: I’m already waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead. And now excuse me, I can imagine funnier things to do than talking to a little wannabe pro that is hardstucked at 1.6k as a DH, defending himself with nonsense (since even my 392 ilvl rogue has a lot higher rating than your dh).

P.S.: You still haven’t checked yet, that I’m not Cutîepie.

Did you actually look up Cutîepie, who’s a completely different person and R1 in both brackets, in an attempt to insult him?

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