Lets talk about elemental

To give some context: I currently raid on my elemental shaman with a semi-hardcore raiding guild trying to get geared to do low mythic in the near future. My m+ score is 2450 but at this point, I’ve pretty much given up pushing.

Problem 1: the new talent system.

The main problem with our talent tree is the fact that we always must choose if we want to go full ST or full AOE. This would make 100% sense if this was the case with every class, and I would have no problem with a system like that. But that simply isn’t the case, let’s take enhancement, for example, they can do top-tier AOE and ST with Elementalist build.

My feedback on how to fix:
At the end of the primordial tree, we can choose to either get hast or free lava cast. Why not just let us get both? It wouldn’t make our ST broken because it’s only 10% haste for 12 sec. and it wouldn’t make our AOE broken because we get free lava surge anyway from having 5 flame shocks active. But this would greatly increase our AOE in ST build and ST in AOE build.

Problem 2: we have no cleave.
This is a fundamental problem with the class and something I hoped that the new talent tree would fix. This problem makes some dungeons unplayable and in some cases, your m+ team has to bring another dps.

My feedback:
I think this problem is so fundamental to the class, that it would need a major rework. But if ele was just really good at everything else it wouldn’t even matter. But I think the primordial chance I mentions earlier could also help our cleave a little.

Problem 3: Stats
This is what I personally think is the worst part, and would be the driving factor for me to change classes or just play another game. In raid, the stat prior goes Mastary>haste>vers>crit. And in m+ and some raid bosses it goes Crit>haste>vers>mastery. Going into a m+ as a raider with only 500 crit and 5000 mastery is the most unsatisfying thing, and just makes our class worse than the statistics show. And also when fighting a multi-target boss you know you will never hit a high parse because many ele shams play mainly for m+ and build crit.

Problem 4: Survivability.
We have 1 wall that’s it. We used to have 2, but that was apparently too strong. we also have the weakest self-healing in the game. For enhance this is a trade-off because they have so much damage, for elemental it’s just a joke.

Problem 5: raid utility.
You would think after reading this post, “being this bad they must have something to show in raid utility”… but no, ele has always been a spec you would bring for damage. we do have ancestral guidance but its literally just a worse version of druids’ nature’s vigil

I will end this by saying I don’t care about having the worst overall damage, as long as we have somewhere else we could shine. For example, BM hunter which has insane ST but overall damage is low, or WW monk which is the other way around.

The reason why elemental shamans don’t have damage is not a number problem but a design problem.

don’t buff the number, buff the design, think you

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to any1 wondering my elemental shaman is shaspand-dentarg

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Couldn`t agree more, its so hard for me to explain to my guild mates (which by now think im a baddie for sure) that some m+ I can do and some others I completely suck. Regarding its survivability, its a massive issue in PvP as well, where I get trained always as Ele, with one defensive only that I cant even use during stuns

Very well said, the class needs re-work not buffing numbers to break them and later on nerf them again in a never ending loop.

I think the main problem with Elemental is the lack of consistent and quick cleave.

That is, without completely sacrificing single-target.

Getting up liquid magma totem, Stormkeeper and all of that Maelstrom, Flame Shock dots and Earthquakes take time. Earthquake ticks for 7 seconds, its too long. Enhancement can just jump in and in a few seconds deal massive cleave. Its extremely valuable in VOI + High Keys.

Oh, and let’s not even get into the survivability issues.

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The CD on Flame shock needs removing for starters!

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I think you need to learn elemental shaman really.

“gIt GuD” comment coming from a 6/8 heroic char , priceless

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Well yes why not? Tbh elemental is good in m+ outside their survivalability. I am only maybe 6/8 that doesnt mean i am bad, also i didnt use the words ’ GIT GUT’ you did so. #hidebehindanalt

Elemental has huge issues because of lack of a mix build, its either AOE or ST. Go read some topics made by tons of people in regards with this issue on Shaman forum. In M+ ele is bad especially with these dungeons we have , only good in Nokund and Academy because slightly larger packs which lets Ele aoe ramp up a bit and actually do damage.
I got a shaman main , new to forums so idk why it asigned me this alt char.

and yet most of the ele shaman who are raiding mythic and pushing 20+ keys are stating there are issues (supported by data) so i’m not sure who to trust

So where do you think I’m in the wrong here?

and if you say I need to learn my class try comparing our logs first.

Elemental is okay in m+ IF you have crit/haste. building full mastery will give you 50% less value based on my sims. So if I pull 75k overall dmg in a dungeon that could have been 100k+ on a full crit build. That basically excludes all raiders from doing high keys

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