Low level gearing is absolutely useless. You get a gear, and then play 20 minutes and that gear is now absolutely garbage and then you replace it. All the time you spend selling crappy gear to vendors instead of having any meaningful process.
I think you should have an upgrade system for low level gear. When you get a chest piece, you can insert it in your current chest piece and increase ilvl. Let’s say when you get 70 and upgrade your gear all the way through, you have like 415 ilvl gear already. This will make leveling less stressful, as you will work on your gearing progress.
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I don’t think a fresh 70 should be ready to go. I think the game provides enough catch up gear.
That’s just my opinion though. I have usually collected some of the lowest upgrade stones while doing 60-70. Which is usually sufficient to get me to LFR level.
But that’s just my personal opinion ofc.
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Doesn’t the Heirloom system kind of fulfill this role?
I do think the Heirloom system is in need of an overhaul though. It’s way too expensive and convoluted to upgrade them.
There shouldn’t be any upgrading of them. They should just cover all of Chromie Time content automatically. They are a convenience now since the xp buff was removed and so aren’t really worth that much gold for such convenience. I upgraded mine back in Legion when they really worked well with the Invasions to level alts quite quickly. But not upgraded them since. Too expensive for adding the few levels they do.
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the problem i forsee with this is.
ur making LFR and Normal Raiding, and M+ uptoo +8 completely redundent by levelling only, this would damage the end game espically if u think concerning Open World progression content with World Bosses and World Quest rewards.
this would cause a uncomfortable leap to keep progressing, if u get to 70 and already need heroic raiding for progression to ur character, the Difficulty spike will cause a large steep curve to the game and likely would Damage the accessibility of end game pillars.
The belief, on level 50, can be item level 200 in full, on level 60, can be item level 300 in full.
I don’t level often, so I will need input.
But if the case is that you get out of leveling with such a low ilvl that you can not partake in solo-questing in the newest zone - there is a issue with the gear. A new player should not be forced to do ‘dated’ content to catch up unnecessarily.
So if it is the case, on ding to max, your questing gear is so bad that you can’t even que to a normal dungeon - they probably should just make questing gear be scaled up with the patch cycles to keep up to speed. Not force players to head to the auction house to buy BoEs / or farm gear that will be replaced within 30min of dropping. Both of those just feel off to me. Like the game is not respecting mine or your time at all.
Then, with better starting gear, they can go from Normal to HC level faster, through dungeons, raids, worldquests and outdoor content. The faster the newer players gear, the faster they get to participate in mythic+, normal raids and HC raids. The less stigma a player will face when entering that content with - dreadful low ilvl, that usually ends up with mockery at worst or the silent kick - that both seems to come from nowhere.
I only see win/win by granting this speed up in gear acquisition through questing. Better time effienceny, faster participation in fun content, more power for soloplayers to not be blocked doing their chosen content.
But I might be missing out on something that players who partake in that content knows. I do not, that is for sure. I can only feelcraft it.
I thought I’d pay attn this time.
So when I dinged 70
After completing the Researchers Under Fire, World Boss in Zara Cav and Fyrakk Assault, using any tokens I had from Forbidden Reach
After buying a few greens that were mostly 99g-500g each
And now I’m doing LFR, all wings.
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Agreed. Every time we get a new expansion they add yet another weirdly named token to upgrade them. I get it’s a goldsink but they can just up the prices of the initial amor and just let them scale to the cap of prev expansion. When last patch hits they can be scaled to expansion cap.
Makes more sense imo, especially since they keep adding all sort of heirlooms.
Huh? In what way is leveling even remotely stressful?
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So you do indeed need to buy greens from the AH, something a new player will and should not be forced to do, to access the ‘real’ content. I do presume you got those tokens while leveling naturally. Or you might be talking about BoA tokens, that you sent over from your other characters?
If you are 306 on ding, that is the lowbar level I am most interested in. At that level, you could just enter LFR and Normal dungeons, and the cave quests were soloable?
The fact that I have 3 level 70’s and have no clue about increasing the ilevel of currently equipped items tells you how little they teach you about crafting or whatever it is you’re supposed to do. I just expect to loot everything I need
You arent forced to do it. Buying greens (or other similar low items) is just a way for people with a bit of pocket change to skip having to farm heroic dungeons. And typically only for some certain slots.
There is a quest line redirecting you to the crafting teachers as well as the crafting order npc. As a new player you also cant really miss that since youre forcefully being redirected to said quest on your first char in DF.
Also in your case: Cheap items from the AH. Cheap (fee wise) low ilvl crafted pieces, heroic dungeons, fyrakk assault and caverns (both should be advertised in the journal) and potential items from some world quests here and there.
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So you can go straight into LFR and Normal, and do the new-zone quests out of the bat at 300 ilvl?
That is the only worry I got - not people skipping normal to HC ilvl req. More that newer players get locked out of new content and it is made a chore, that in turn will likely burn them out.
Some classes surely can. Others may need to kite or group up (especially against rares). Then again youre free to do dungeons which drop significantly better gear that is attuned to the current patch if youre struggling in the caverns as a fresh 70. Or tag along on a fyrakk assault or researchers under fire for gear drops.
Even 10.0 stuff is new content for new players.
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If things are looking good for new players and they don’t have to know about AH and other cheeze things to get going, it is all good in the hood and I am happy with how it is 
Most MMOs have an AH system to begin with. And you wont get around it. In the very least when it comes to making gold.
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Sure, but I don’t want a world where new players are getting a worse experience for someone’s gold gain. Nor do I want their time wasted.
I simply want them into the good content that is fun as soon as possible, where it feels like what they are doing matters
Exactly another case of removing the mmo
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You have to move from point A to point B, I guess.
Buying from the AH should be something people do. It’s an integral part of the game. They are crafted or picked up elsewhere and sold. They are very cheap. Even new players use the AH.
The tokens are all from when the Forbidden Reach was a mini patch and I kept all the tokens, there is a vendor so you can just farm the currency and buy them instead but I didn’t want to. There is a an upgrade system which people also get to dabble with. I upgraded what I could when I had the flightstones/crests.
At 306 you can not enter LFR. Well not the latest raid anyhow. I never checked the previous raid as it was irrelevant. The whole reason I did a few events and quests, bought a few greens was so that I could enter LFR.
After LFR she was 394 ilvl and I’ve not yet opened her vault.