Well in order to learn the class properly in pvp i kinda find it productive to perform well in duels, as it would be a nice starting point to know how to counter other classes with the one you’re currently playing.
So what dueling tricks can you guys provide me against each class? You don’t have to write about all of the classes, just tell me what you do and how you perform against the ones you find yourself winning mostly, and people can be adding up to that. Also if you could say which traits/talents you’re running with, that would be a nice bonus
I find myself mostly losing against rogues, monks and warlocks. So yeah i really need some improvement against these 3 in specific.
To underestand how to counter rogue I must have played rogue myself. It is a general reccomendation I can give. Underestand other classes, especially their weaknesses.
Assassination rogue (most played in PvP) is a burst class with exact burst windows (vendeta). The best thing you can do is destealth them before they will make opener on you. Well, it might by tricky especially in wPvP.
Another rule is using your defenses (blur, darkness (talented - that 70% is really nice) not when you are dying but proactively. Against rogue you want to activate it just before he gets his 5 combo point kidney shot (6 sec stun). When you have blur, he will do almost nothing to you compared to not having it. Also, blur has really low CD. You can activate it more during duel if you press it early. Don’t hold too much on it, you can waste completely 1 or more CDs. The main purpose of defensives is not “I am in trouble button, I need help” but rather reducing damage taken. Another defensive can be considered datainment. You can incap your target and recover, retread and buy yourself time. Very usefull against rogues. Vengefull retreat is another great defensive against melee, when you need to get more time (for blur CD or eye beam).
Always use eye beam when your target is stuned or from range against melee (Vengefull retreat + beam). They will interrupt it almost every time. For PvP is also good to pick fel eruption or snare. I prefer eruption because of another stun (but beware it shares diminishing return with chaos nova).
When rogue activates defensive (evasion, cloak) just incap or stun him and let him enjoy it He will usually retreat at low healt with vanish, that should be no problem for you with spectral sight. But be clever. Any damage or DoT will interrupt your sight. Rogue is also immune to destealth for 3 second after using vanish. So when he stealths just count to three and try to use your sight when the DoT on you ticked or you dont have it anymore.
Warlocks? Important spells to kick are chaos bolt and fear (you can also stun or incap). Again use your defensives proactively and be annoying. Stay on him and keep pressure. I personally dont have problem with locks, they are quite easy prey. Retreating and losing line of sight with him is a good defensive play. Especially in arenas.
Ah solid advice Indeed well said on the cooldown management, i seem to be doing them when im dying mostly. Should get used to using them properly, thank you for your help ^^!
Demonic Appetite and Soul Rending are great for duels. Burning Soul’s also solid.
PVP talents are flex based on what you’re fighting. Against a Shadow Priest I’d take Reverse Magic, but I obviously wouldn’t take it against a Warrior.
vs Warrior, Rogue I’d use Detainment ( Vendetta/Enraged Regeneration/wait for your own defensives ), the flying talent, glimpse.
Now that was pretty informative, and for that i thank you. However as for rogues, more often than not, i am in a stunlock when they vendetta and if i trinket it they get a free blind, thus resetting the fight. Im not yet sure how to react to that
You can’t really beat Rogues in a clean, 1v1 duel. You could use a cooldown tracker ( I use nameplate cds ) and try to time your Blur/Blade Dance around the same time as their Kidney going off cd, hopefully dodging it.
Make use of the fact that Fel Eruption goes through cloak ( not sure if it can be avoided ). If you hear Vendetta pop, drop darkness/defensives/detainment/stun.
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He will usually retreat at low healt with vanish, that should be no problem for you with spectral sight. But be clever. Any damage or DoT will interrupt your sight. Rogue is also immune to destealth for 3 second after using vanish. So when he stealths just count to three and try to use your sight when the DoT on you ticked or you dont have it anymore.