LFR Amirdrassil question: to need or not, on a gear upgrade that is, just the 3/8 version of your 2/8 piece of gear equipped?

Hello Everyone.

In past expansions, like Legion and BFA,I was used to get the LFR loot automatically.
In DF I can decide to roll or not.

Today I faced a dilemma and I would appreciate some advice:
I was basically, choosing which LFR offered bonus and I was switching between my Restoration Troll Shaman, my BE and Orc Protection Warriors. As I have many level 70 characters, once a character is done, with those bosses, I log another one, that didn’t do that boss.

In previous expansions, getting a item that had higher ILV was something you didn’t though twice, about it.
However, after playing with the upgrade system a bit, I’ve noticed some pieces are the same ILV as others. The only difference is, some of them are 2/8, 3/8, etc.

Today I was playing on this character:

When the 3/8 version of this item dropped:

I rolled need and won.
However upon closer looking, I already had the 2/8 version of this item equipped:

According to Icy-veins, the best stats for warriors are:
Item level;
Haste;
Versatility >= Critical Strike;
Mastery.

So it seems, I rolled on a item, I didn’t really needed. Upgrading my previous boots, would have granted me, the same stats and I already had the Transmogg.
Should I have passed, in this situation ?

Another similar situation happened with,this character, but this time, I didn’t got the items and frankly, I think it was for the best:

A better version of the shield :shield: he has equipped, dropped.
His shield has Crit/Haste. The other shield that dropped, had Versa/Haste.
My shield was 1/8, I think the other was 3/8. If I upgrade my shield, twice, I can get the same stats.

The same question, goes to the neck item.
Mine has Crit/Mast/Leech. The one that dropped, had Mast/Haste.
Again the same situation, my item was 1/8, the other was just an upgraded version 3/8.
Should I have passed, in this situation ?

Another question: Haste is the stat to go in all Warrior specs.
Should I ignore a epic ring baseline ILV 441, in favour of ILV 428 rings with haste on it ?
I know Crit/Versa is a desired stats for 2 Rogue specs and WW Monks.

I’m asking this, because today, my Orc Warrior won on a LFR the following item, after I rolled 7 on the Transmogg option:

I was baffled,when I got the item.
I think people are passing on items,they don’t need. I would rather keep the same spirit and do the same.

What’s your opinion ?

Thanks for your attention.
Cheers.

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you simply need on everything…you wont see the players again…thats not the good guy opinion, but everyone is doing it like this and you forfeit loot for a boss which you fought too

this mindset is in an organised group good, but lfr or pug? need is the way if possible

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That you don’t need to put this much thought into it.
If you can roll need and want to, roll need. At this stage of the season, not many people are there to actually gear; and if they are, they’re most likely alts.

So no need to feel bad, imo.

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Thank you, Tah and Nevermonk :smiley:

Nice post, and you’d make an excellent guild raider with this careful attitude over loot; I imagine you’d be popular very quickly,

On topic - in LFR I tend to need everything as it’s a bit of a Free For All - and the gear on this difficulty is not particularly valuable and more of a stepping stone. Of course being decent and honourable is commendable, but don’t put yourself out too much in this environment and don’t expect a return favour. If you want to be altruistic that will be its own reward :slight_smile:

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Thank you, Peacemoon :smiley:
I’m flattered :grin:

I do the same as you Amazoner, I’ll pass on what I don’t need, and try to keep stats in mind and what I have already when picking and choosing where to roll need. I don’t care what others do, it just doesn’t feel right or correct otherwise.

That said, I won bracers in one wing with not so great stats the other day but my bracers were terrible. And then in the next wing I won bracers again, with the stats I actually wanted. Traded the first one to a rogue who was in both wings as well, luckily I hadn’t equipped it yet. So sometimes stuff like this just happens, don’t be hard on yourself :slight_smile:

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Thank you Cyralis :smiley:

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This is the right way to do it

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why do lfr oo my god just do normaal or m plus save u self suffer like why ?

Because, in those modes, you are expected to perform. LFR, is the only mode, you can make mistakes and people, will be more tolerable. They usually say: “It’s LFR, who cares.”
Granted, on some rare occasions, you can be kicked, for low DPS or pulling a boss by accident, but that’s it.

Cheers.

Probably.
The current system isn’t great, everyone just clicks Need as there isn’t time to check what you have, what stats are on which etc. Unless you’re going to reseach all the gear in advance and have already decided what to do.
Maybe there is an AddOn (Mr. Robot or some such) that tells you that it’s an upgrade and perhaps even by how much.

There should be some incentive to click Pass, perhaps you earn Bonus Rolls by clicking Pass 3 times or 6 times even. Or even you get 2x Vendor price in gold to stop those who just click Need to vendor it.

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Thank you Gram.
I’m cool with passing on loot, since I’ve been doing it since Vanilla :sunglasses:
The remorse, I get from getting an item, that would have been better suited, for another player, that actually needed it, for his character progression, isn’t worth it.

Cheers.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Random match-making systems shouldn’t really have such Rolls, there isn’t time to make considered decisions so everyone just clicks Need and runs off with the herd.
Co-ordinated groups have time to stand around discussing who gets what. Whether it’s a guild decision to improve the guild’s progression or a PUG deciding on who gets it and if there are payments of gold or what-not (although I hear GDKP are being banned or something).

LFR should really just have Personal Loot.

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If it’s an upgrade, it’s an upgrade.
It means you have Flightstones and Crests to be used on another item.

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Good point.
Thank you, Demonseed :smiley:

Technically yes.

But if someone else did that and you were on the “receiving” end would you feel a bit hard done by?

If the answer is yes then I usually pass.

Although having said that its lfr, I’m not advocating being a douche but most people aren’t considerate of others so why should you go out of your way to be?

I think bottom line is everyone has an idea of what is acceptable for them. Some mythic geared people would go in there, need on everything and disenchant it in front of the badly geared players screaming “HAHA TAKE THAT NOOBS!” if they could…

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Did an rfc on discovery rolling need on every cloth, mage won everything till a dupe drop :joy: (playing lock). In retail I only need if upgrade it feels scummy to do other wise. Especially when I’m doing my weekly rf for fyralath. I’m not taking gear from other people who need it more

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The answer is no, If the game gives a player the option of a need roll they will take it. I have done it and had it done to me.
LFR rolls are bonus loot not a grearing path. Vault, Dreamsurge, Timerift and Superbloom are more reliable graring paths.

Thank you, Dejarous and Warlóór :smiley: