I can’t join raids because I haven’t done it yet, so therefore I am not invited, so therefore I can’t do it, so therefore I don’t get invited…see the loop
I feel stuck, limited, cant progress. I am busy Wednesday, Thursday and Monday nights so joining a guild is extremely difficult plus I do not want the pressure of being required to attend raids every single week, every single time. (I would feel too guilty for not having 100% attendance)
So why can’t LFR raid finder be applied to normal, heroic and mythic difficulty as well. If I am so limited in joining to the extent I NEVER get to go, then I don’t mind it being an absolute pug.
Requirements for queuing can be item level and full clear on previous difficulty. If people want to form their own groups, then of course do it, but everyone wants people to have already done it which is obvious, I would only pick people who have already done it as well. I used to be a hardcore player, I was world first for something, but I am a casual player now but still want to join in on challenging difficulty once further into a patch.
I’m gonna tell you a little secret.
You can create your own group
There are many guilds, even very successful guilds who will always be happy to take people who are willing to be on a backup/bench spot.
Especially later in a tier, when the first people start not needing loot from the first couple of bosses anymore, there will always be someone who is happy to spontaneously sit out a raid night to do something else - and that’s the chance for you to join.
There are also guilds that raid mainly on weekends.
Becuase LFR is the way it is. I can tell you how it would be:
Everyone will eventually manage to clear LFR and therefore would be eligible to queue for normal
Everyone will eventually manage to clear normal and therefore would be eligible to queue for heroic
On heroic, there will be wall-bosses that will feel almost impossible to kill without pre-selecting the group. In this tier, it would be Xanesh, Vexiona, Ra-Den, Ilgynoth and N’Zoth.
On Mythic, no group would ever make it past the first three bosses - while having hour of wipes on each of them.
You can simulate it by creating your own groups.
Make a normal group and invite everyone
Make a heroic group and invite everyone who cleared normal (that’s where I would give up)
After eventually clearing heroic, make a Mythic group and invite AOTC people
Queueable content suggest queueing for completion, that was made painfully obvious with the cata heroic dungeons, since then blizz learned their lesson and kept the harder difficulties away from queues simply because they do not work without a certain amount of coordination and given how LFR N’zoth turned out nothing has changes since then.
There’s already the Premade Group Finder for that… the worst thing about LFR is the abuse by players going AFK from the get go or AFK during fights hoping they won’t get noticed… and then there’s people that refuse to learn simple mechanics even in LFR.
Did you try LFR Nzoth ? This should be the perfect example of what could happen if you let a queue pick players which should be able to clear the content based on their gear.
Even with the requirement of already having to clear the raid this sounds like a terrible idea. At best normal may work but even that is very unlikely imo
I mean… Maybe I’m too pessimistic but how probable would you rate that scenario ?
The queue times will be equivalent or longer than LFR because there’s not a lot more demand for it than LFR along players who satisfy these requirements ( iirc half of the playerbase never did a single m+ dungeon, don’t think it’s much different for raiding)
So long queues and hard to fill your raid back after kicking players.
You spend half an hour waiting for the queue to pop as a DPS like most players. Get to the first boss, trolls do their thing and you wipe.
Let’s say you kick “failures” which clearly have no idea what they are doing here. You’re stuck for 5~10m waiting for new mates. Which will probably also be failures. Another 5~10m to fill the last remaining slots but you should’ve a better party by now right ?
But it has been half an hour with only one boss down, good players gets bored seeing this is getting nowhere and leave…
Only to be replaced by “failures”. And so on.
This all rely on “long queue time because there’s not that many players who would queue for it while satisfying the requirements” but this by itself isn’t that unrealistic to begin with.
