Yep, i still remember people getting benched in Legion cause they pugged before guild runs.
And people did not wanna lose loot cause of them.
I guess people have a skewed perception of PL mostly cause of the fact that it was paired with bonus rolls.
I could go and kill 1 boss in HC 3 times per week and bonus rolls also had bad luck protection.
So it was way easier to target an item. Especially considering you could warp the loot table based on your spec, unlike today for obvious reason.
my mog >> your 10th alt who just hit 80
I havenât wanted that.
I havenât asked for it.
And I havenât voiced a desire for it.
So Iâm not sure why you impose some arbitrary sense of âweâ upon my posting. This is not the consequences of my feedback.
When you say âpeopleâ and âyouâ and describe those as âmonkeysâ, and youâre doing this in a reply to my post, are you referring to me in this context or are you just ranting into the void?
The rewards and completely obsolete and itâs existence is silly.
âSoloâ raids are the same. They either do it for the sake of story, cus if itâs for the rewards itâs a skip.
He probably hit 2.5k rating on M+ so his behaviour has changed to
Remove all max level loot, have people run for currency to buy items from vendors.
Buying from vendor has an uproll chance, going up in chance as harder content is completed.
Stop the trading of gold inside LFR.
Put a mythic + dungeon finder in.
I donât know. It just seems like an easy strawman to simply refer to âothersâ and then argue against that.
I mean, between the OP and myself, I see pretty clear feedback with regards to LFR and loot from it.
And in the other forum discussions Iâve partaken in about LFR and group loot Iâd say the collective feedback is pretty one-sided.
So this notion that things are the way they are because âweâ and âyouâ and âothersâ and âpeopleâ and âmonkeysâ complained and caused it to be this way, i.e the consequences of oneâs own actions, seems like a pretty obvious strawman if I ever saw one.
And I think thatâs pretty poor. Argue against what people are actually saying if you want to argue in a discussion. Donât construct strawmen based on âpeopleâ.
The wildest of wild takes.
Iâm in the forum for the last 4 months .
He always sems to have something with casuals ~delve people and solo players. Just donât mind him and skip.
LFR was always a mess - and the more it requires of the players in terms of cooperation or not griefing each other, the more obvious it gets.
It should never have been added. NEVER. I donât care however popular it is - itâs only popular at the expensive of normal mode and dungeons.
So you somehow thing you are the center of the universe and you opinion actually matters ? What matters is what the majority whine about. Not what an individual does.
You were ranting about rewards too. And you are not the only one.
I am not ranting about rewards. I donât care. I did a 10 the 1st week of the season. What do I care ? 
No, but I expect when someone replies specifically to me that what theyâre going to say is related to what I said, or otherwise pointed at me.
And you replied to me, went about writing how itâs âpeopleâ and âmonkeysâ who think this and that. So does âpeopleâ and âmonkeysâ include me or are they just strawmen constructed for the occasion?
OK. You do have a point there. Sorry.
I find it a lot easier to get loot in M+. I know chasing bis means you can get unlucky and it takes many runs to get a specific item but on the whole I find M+ far more rewarding.
Ofc I no longer need M+ drops now so itâs vault gearing 
For rolling greed or transmog not need
I love the âoh the 616 needs it for transmogâ argument.
Somehow I get the feeling it wouldnât be so widely thrown around if someone got a drop in a mythic plus and said âsorry. Need it for transmogâ.
Group loot has been, and always will be, a disaster in LFR.
There was NO reason for it whatsoever except for people who outgeared it ages ago to be tempted to fill queues quicker with the lure of âneeding on a transmog, but the person who needs it for gear can simply gaze in awe at their gear insteadâ
Personal loot allow me to roll even if am 636 and maybe i get the loot over your 570 alts.
So your point is moot.
People refuse to trade loot in M+ all the time, no one is crying a river.
People also pretend to need the item just so they can ask for gold.
Not really. You could choose to trade it but donât because of mog. Vs stealing upgrades from players who actually need it
It is not stealing, are you dumb?
Before you could choose to trade, now you can choose to pass.
It is the same principle but you actively do the rolls.
The issue is Blizzard allowing cross realm gold trading. Not the loot system.
âI want a gear simply for mog and then to vendor it whereas a player can use it to upgrade their character and Iâm right for rolling âneedââ