When they first announced LFR in Wotlk I thought it was gonna be like that, but man was I disappointed.
What would be the difference between that and the current non-official one: raider .io? Takes the control away from players and gives it to some stupid bot. I honestly feel like people who wish for this kind of stuff just wait to get boosted by getting lucky with a pug groud. Thereâs literally nothing stopping you from getting a key and setting up groups filled with people who will âget a chanceâ, but you donât do that because you know youâre all simply not good enough yet so you just want to get carried.
This suggestion is getting old and is a poor excuse to put inexperienced players in high end content, which will result in endless wipefests. Current system is fine, just not the most ideal for new/insecure players.
Sidenote- running keys with guildies is always more chill , even those crappy auto-invite spam guilds(which are obviously super easy to find) can be used to find people who would be willing to learn together.
Nope I want that dungeon or raid finder button on UI.
Not gonna reply about how you judge other players - keep that opinion to yourself.
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Hmmm i would say scrap the LFR difficulty , keep the tool. That way you have Normal now beeing LFR, Heroic=Noraml and Mythic is Heroic. But i have been in LFR and i can easily see how most of the people that go there wont be able to coplete the now higher difficulty.
I donât think pug difficulties should be added to LFR.
Iâd actually start raiding again if I could que for normal raids. The main reason I donât raid is having to do it on a schedule with a guild or joining a pug and then waiting around doing nothing while the group forms (canât quest, canât go do chores around the house because I donât know when the group is full and enters the raid). Also Iâd much rather wipe in normal over and over because people are still learning etc than wipe in LFR because people are afk or cba to play the spec they qued as or because âlol itâs just LFR so I can do stupid stuff and waste time lolololoooooooolâ.
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The faster we can kill raiding the faster the game dies, so yeah I fully agree with OP. Letâs just make one of the last (barely) standing pillars be fully demolished! \o/
As if normal is that much harder than lfr.
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With the way quite a few LFR-players do things? Thats a yes.
I have seen players scream that others are doing it wrong while they themselves stand in the preverbial fire and wiping the raidâŚ
And might I point to the Skitra fight as perfect example of a fight that a LFR pug has tremendous problems with due to there being 0 commucation? And use that as a primary reason why a higher difficultly leven and a LFR pug just do not mix?
This seeing as most Normal difficulty bosses in Nyaâlotha are really easy, and even more so on LFR, but even then a LFR pug has issues with even the simplest of mechanics.
So a Normal difficulty LFR, let alone a HC one, would be 1 big wipe and whine fest. And that will only lead to 1 thing: a nerf to mechanics in LFR and so back to the current situation.
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Itâs the truth my friend, not just an âopinionâ. Thereâs a reason why the LFR system exists and why you donât have a LFG system for m+, and thatâs exactly it. Idk why youâre so optimistic about it anywyas? The only thing more TOXIC than the pug community we have now, is the LFR community- people afking, trolling, quitting, insulting each other, NOT COMMUNICATING. Expanding it will do no good. Also, gating so many different types of content behind ques wonât be too healthy either, imo. Even now people are waiting an hour during peak hours to get into a lfr group.
That is just not true. The queue times for LFR take aroudn the same if not much longer than forming a normal raid. Nothing is stopping you from keeping on questing while the group is forming, why would it?!?!? You canât do chores around the house when you que for lfr either, can you? Atleast with pug groups you can see how the group is slowly filling up, with lfr you have a broken app showing false attendancy numbers so you gotta relay on that 30s, automated readycheck. I think the reason you donât raid atm is mostly due to the fact you dislike the general atmosphere in lfr groups, so Iâll just point out getting a lfr for normal will change non of that- it will just be the same thing except youâll barely progress on any boss.( One big thing that lets lfr groups through are âdeterminationâ stacks, which increase your dmg, healing and hp by 10% after each wipe- something you canât implement on normal and heroic difficulties).
What exactly makes you think it will be any different? Youâll have the same people. There are no requirements/troll detecter in those lfg system, meaning youâll have the same people, doing the same things, but on a higher difficulty. How can you not see that? What stops a player from queing as tank and playing as a dps or afking? The fact itâs now ânormalâ? No, thatâs just not how it works. Why are you guys against guilds so much? Normal guilds are NOT strict on times and filled with social raiders who can only raid every now and thenâŚ
Iâm just pointing out why itâs not a thing, why I hope it wonât be a thing and why I think it will probably never be a thing. Meant no offense, just said things as I see them from my experience.
So youâd ruin LFR for anyone who doesnât want or canât deal with normal difficulty or higher just so you can be sociable? Even though you ALREADY CAN BE in the other 3 available difficulties besides LFR?
Seems very, very selfish tbh.
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everything that goes any automated pve queu system are nerfed into the ground.
that has been fact since wotlk cata era.
I have to jump in and say some of you unnessecary put LFRers down. When a raid is new there will be wipes, you need to learn the fights first and that goes for everyone.
About the Skitra fight, a good example. The Nyâalotha LFR has only been out 2 weeks, Iâve done it 3 times in LFR. Most in the raid have never done it before. One wipe there seems to be standard, but twice it has been down second time after a tacs discussion. We have raid chat you know, we can type and communicate old school style.
Itâs best to raid after midnight when the kids are off to bed.
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I donât think itâs a good idea tbh. LFR enables casual players to see the raids and witness the story but I donât think it should be available on higher difficulties. It would undermine the social aspect of the game even more and being part of a guild or community would be obsolete.
People barely take responsibility for themselves in LFR and do little to no preparation, so I doubt thatâs going to change if they added more difficulties to it. Besides, I doubt that the gameâs matchmaker can come up with balanced groups.
Normal isnât even hard, the biggest difference is that you have to make the group yourself and be semi-compitent at your class. Thatâs all.
Thatâs why people should read up on guides. Helps a bunch.
In LFR itâs not really nessecary to study before you play, the info given in game and dbm is enough. And in my experience, from higher lvls, no matter how much you read, you still have to learn the fight by practice.
If you want to force people to talk, why do you wish the tool to create your group? If you want communication thereâs the group finder where you have to manually create groups, and that one is often used for normal and heroic mode groups.
It is about convenience.
Premade finder, you never know if you have chance to succeed.
Raidfinder strongpoints are âconvenienceâ.
MoP had this with flex raidfinder. It worked fine and i had most fun time with players from flex-raidfinder. We had good nights and i even made frienda with them.
What if there was a system of LFR with unlock requirements for the raid tier difficulties?
example being you play starting at the base difficulty and work your way up to like Heroic, or maybe even mythic but not like you beat it can move onto next, nope you would need to beat it under a time limit and wipe reset limit.
But what about the leavers? and players joining a half completed raid? simple they cant leave a progression raid until the time is up or the raid wipe reset has hit max, sure you can always just log out and after 5 mins they are removed, but then they are prevented account wide from using the LFR progression for a period of time. But they are free to use the Pre-made group finder and the non progressing LFR where their free to leave whenever.
As for the players joining a half done progressing raid you need to have already completed the raid tier, thus preventing a quick win. While players who had to wait for a leaver will get compensated with added time.
I feel this could help weed out the trolls and 1 wipe leavers and the players who have bought their raid runs via pre-mades. While the players who want to improve themselves can choose this progressing que, along with other like minded players with the same goal in mind. while not affecting the normal que for LFR and Pre-mades.
This is just my take on it even tho it would complex to even implement something like this.
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One of the issues Blizzard mentioned long before is Expectations (same reason they hard nerfed Cata heroics back in the day), people who queue up via LFD/LFR expect it that no matter how bad people are they should be finishing the dungeon/raid. Because of this if you put Normal and Heroic in to queue-able like so that will result in some really hefty nerf to the raids cause people will expect it should be able to be done with the worst possible people too.
LFR is fine, let it be around, not being able to LFD/LFR into higher difficulties is also fine.
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