Light vs. dark/shadow/void

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Light is used to empower the good. As shadow used to empower the bad. You know, a paladin is a bit different than a warlock, as humanity principles. Both can do a good thing. But its one way to do it as a warlock and another as a paladin.

Using the light to do good is the clean way. Using the shadow/dark to do good, its a dirty way. It implies sacrifices and a busy consience.

Stop saying blizz writing light being just another type of magic that can be as bad as the void is quality writing. There’s a reason demons preffer chaos/shadow magic. And paladins, priests chose the light. The exceptions (like scarlet crusade) makes the rule!

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*Gives Turalyon the side eye after he attacked his son, Arathor with the light-infused broadsword

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There is no good or bad, just a large area of various shades of gray.

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Not true. Try to put yourself, the human being, in the position of a warlock doing good. Then in a paladin position. Pretty sure you, the person, will not feel that well being a warlock. Even if you’re doing good deeds.

Shadow/chaos/void magic comes with a price to pay. Light dont.

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I doubt there is a human alive that is 100% good.

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Aye, with us warlocks being the good thing :dracthyr_nod:

Tell that that megalomaniac Naaru trying to …“cleanse”…Illidan…
:dracthyr_hehe_animated: Naaru are the embodiment of Light, the light is just an dangerous and wrong way to do something good.
Arthas went completely bonkers trying to do the r(l)ight thing.
Oh those noble Paladins and Priests with their…ugh *cough * sorry :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

Okay, on a serious note though, yes, light CAN very much be VERY corruptive and destructive, because it blinds people into thinking their way is the only right one.
Paladins killing in the name of the light to protect is none different to killing with fel to protect.
Ah :index_pointing_up: Nah-ah-ah :index_pointing_up: Nu-uh, no there is no difference.

It does, sanity.

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He didnt attack his son. His son put himself between the sword and an enemy.
If only Arator had a sword to block the attack instead of using his body.

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i’m reminded of the scammers who try to jump in front of a car pulling out of a parking space so they can falsely claim insurance and compensation

arator seems similarly inclined lol

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And nothing about that is gone.

It was merely added upon that the Light can even make the most good of us pave their way with evil acts based on good intentions.

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Name Magic Pantheon Plane Zereth Greater Powers Lesser Powers
Death Necromantic Pantheon of Death Shadowlands Zereth Mortis Eternal Ones Undead
Disorder Fel Unknown Twisting Nether Unnamed Unknown Demons
Life Nature Pantheon of Life[23] Realms of Life[24] Unnamed Unknown Wild Gods
Light Holy Unknown Unnamed plane Unnamed Unknown Naaru
Order Arcane Pantheon of Order Unnamed plane Zereth Ordus[25] Titans Keepers
Void Shadow Unknown Unnamed plane Unnamed Void lords Old Gods

| https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Magic#The_cosmic_forces

And yet, these are arguably the structures and parameters of this mythos.

The Light, or rather Holy magic, is just another type of magic like any other.

This is arguably the entire point that is being made.

It is not more special, it is not different—it is one of six fundamental cosmic forces.

We’ve had countless ambiguous uses of Holy magic in the past, not in the least looking to something as simple as the faction conflict. With wielders on both sides using incarnations of the Light [meaning their cultural convictions] against each other. Add to that examples such as the Scarlet Crusade.

We’re merely seeing them expand and contextualize what we’ve already known.

The only thing that seemingly matters—even as per Alonsus—is the belief of the wielder.

Alonsus Faol says: The Light seeks a path. It does not dictate the way.
Alonsus Faol says: Look at all the cultures across Azeroth that channel the Light. From Elune, to Gral, to An’she.
Alonsus Faol says: Philosophically different from our Church of Holy Light, but with the same ability to channel the energy.
Arator says: I have often wondered.
Alonsus Faol says: The Light needs a lens to focus its power through the wielder. The Light brings certainty, and it responds to one’s conviction.
Alonsus Faol says: But the Light cannot distinguish between love and hatred.

| https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarlet_Power

What I would suggest you’re doing is adding a subjective component to an objective one.

Objectively, the cosmic forces of the mythos of Warcraft are seemingly no different from one another. Each potentially has its own plane, its own Zereth, its own pantheon and so on.

Each component of these seem to manifest in the Great Dark Beyond following the same ruleset:

  • The cosmic forces manifest in the physical universe as a magic type: Light as Holy, Void as Shadow, Life as Nature, Order as Arcane etcetera
  • Beings of these cosmic realms and their forces, when killed, seem to return to their native planes to reform more or less as a universal rule

If a being of Death is killed on the mortal plane, their essence returns to the Shadowlands to be reformed, similar to how demons reform in the Twisting Nether.[13]

| https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Shadowlands#Inhabitants

Like the other cosmic forces, beings of the Void can normally only be permanently killed in their realm. If killed in the mortal realm, their essence returns to the Void to reconstitute, though some exceptionally powerful forces can intervene in the process.[30]

| https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Void#Void_realm

Subjectively, we’ve seen various cultures and characters thereof have various opinions and reservations regarding plenty of magic types and their uses. Not in the least amid the races, which we’ve seen played out historically. Yet, I would posit that it is nonetheless irrelevant seen to the presentation of its or their objective nature.

These structures and these parameters in so far as the cosmic forces of this mythos are concerned, as well as the magic types derived from them, is seemingly what we’ve got.

This is what they are and what they are seemingly doubling down on.

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Then what, you use violence to stop violence?

Light to block light?

Wouldn’t that imply you need let’s say, a stronger “Light” to be “Right”?

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Get down Mr. President

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Eye for an eye, sounds good.

Don’t think a slap on the wrist will do anything.

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add a slap fight minigame like in final fantasy 7 where my character can smack arator please

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You reminded me of my late school days.

Some of our school met up with some american school kids in the welsh mountains. They wouldn’t play knuckles so we had to play slaps instead.

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If that is your assumption, what do you believe in what love represents? Is it inequality as it should be or as you already stated:

I simply am interested in your philosophical defintion of what love truly represents.

If being good is meaningless even for a defintion of love that is inequal then what purpose is life?

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Not really based on years of observations (was a natural analyst used to analyse literally everything).

And if anyone is truly honest with themselves they’ll realise they’re not perfect.

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True love…you want to get philosphical here…okay.
True love can make people do really, really bad things. REALLY BAD things.

No, there is no true, pure, 100% good.

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Then that is the defintion of what the world should truly represent. Not because of the shades of grey but because the world is farce to begin with.

Hmm, i actually expected a better response from you but i guess that was that.

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So can i ask you? Do you believe in miracles? Because i do. Many times Ive seen in the news, kids with the age of 10 or so reach a highly intelligent consciousness and have done things normal humans could only dream of.

Isnt this an assumption that their are various shades of “grey” we normal humans could only dream of but is still among us no matter what ulterior motive we may or may not care about?