I got two questions related to Lightforged draenei’s.
1. How would you RP a LFD Priest ?
Almost any LFD I find seems to be Paladins except Grand lector Enaara, and she seems rather agressive. Is this how every LFD would end up beeing after 25K war ?
I like the way she is don’t get me wrong, but it feels a bit uncreative to just be like her. And it also feels a bit strange to be like her when you have to be a healerspec for being holy attuned.
2. Lightforged and shadow magic.
I read all over the place that lightforged can’t use shadowmagic because some comic that shown Alleria feel unimaginible pain by touching Tyrallion.
And that have become “canon” to mean that lightattuned people are extra sensitive to the void so that they can’t even be touched by it.
This can’t be real ?
What kind of stupid strategy would it be to make your whole army weak to your enemies attack ?
“Hey lets make our forces weak to shadowblots and voidwalkers” and anything else void-related there is.
Keep in mind, Aleria and the Ren’Dorei are a special case and void-infused!
Priests used the Shadow/Void *cough Shadow Priests *cough Discipline Priest without any problem
Shadow and Void sometimes the same… sometimes… err… not
Its confusing
And don’t forget the Army of Light was made to fight the Legion
NOT the Void… for some reason
They are conditioned to hate the Fel and the Legion (wich itself is kinda interesting, if you consider the whole Void vs Light ‘War’ an Alliance with a Titan and his army that whole prupose to destroy every planet to ‘save’ the Universe from the Void’s hunger and prevent the creation of a Void Titan, would been logical. Instead? Lets send them against the said powerfull army because reasons and prevent them to raze Void infested - and other - planets. Sure the Light is life and all, but a Light 'infested" planet is crytsaline desert with its inhabitants are encased in crystals. Not better than a Void infested hellhole. The Legion at least annihiliates the planet leaving behind only dust. Sure an empty universe is kinda bad, but life always find a way to reaturn. Remaking the universe is a viable path when the alternative crystal deserts or tentacled planets.
The fact Demons need the same conditioning to be evil enough to serve in the Legion eluded them for some reason too. Heck, I can name several Demons and even a Man’ari Eredar that actually helped the Azerothians… while you can’t name a single Void entity that is friendly. )
So sadly, yes, a Lightforged priest is heavily conditioned/brainswashed… (thus a bit arrogant, fanatic and agressive). She/he had to be, because if she/he wouldn’t be, maybe would try to… think and ask uncomfortable questions. Questions about the Naaru void-state (what Xe’ra ‘forgot’ to mention) or A’dal willingness to send any brave adventurer to on a murderspree for sime shiny baubles…
Be a good lad Lighty…
Don’t ask questions…
The Void have all the Answers
The Void seeks every possible path and sees them all as truth.
The Light seeks one path and shuns all others as lies…
And don’t forget the Army of Light was made to fight the Legion
NOT the Void… for some reason
Yes, I am aware of that. That the army of light for some reason “defends” the void. It does not mak sense, but there might be a unknown reason for this that we don’t know yet.
But what I dont see the strategy behind is willingly perform a ritual that makes you more weak to (shadow/void), because that is to give your enemies a weapon against you. (Even tho the legion tries to destroy the void creatures, they sure was able to use shadow/void magic themselves, or currupt someone that could. and that would make the LFD wounreble).
I don’t try to find a reason to be a shadowpriest myself, But it just don’t add up that the LF process should make you weak against your enemies. If anything it should make you stronger. Like a bigger light in the darkness.
Indeed… its like a failsafe, to make sure they don’t want to fight against the ‘distant cousins’"
Well, the Army of Light wasn’t much of a threat to the Legion actually, and only after some ‘regular’ reinforcement they managed to achive some real victory…
Maybe there is a connection as you said, some unkown reason
Its fun to theorise!
The dark is generous.
Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from the truths of others.
The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
Its second gift is comforting illusion: the ease of gentle dreams in night’s embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in the day’s harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it’s the day that is temporary.
Day is the illusion.
Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.
The dark is generous, and it is patient.
It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
The dark’s patience is infinite.
Eventually, even stars burn out.
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
It always wins because it is everywhere.
It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
I have a lightforged priest, she went through the lightforging process recently. She was originally a hand-to-hand combatant (a draenei monk) but I swapped her to a priest since they can’t be monks.
She is fanatical since “the light healed her and forged her anew” and she feels that everybody should be touched by the light.
Shadow (and the void) is also weak to light, the light can be used to chase the shadows away. The lightforged are like glass cannons vs. it.
Still seems like a stupid idea to make your whole army into glass cannons against another force that the one you are fighting.
I don’ buy into it. I belive it to be a missunderstanding of the events.
As far as I have seen any place I’ve only seen that Alleria felt pain while touching Turalyon, but I have never seen that it was painfull for him.
It kinda make sense for the darkness to be hurt by light, but not vica versa.
I think it all is a misunderstanding by the community hat since Alleria was husrt by him, he also had to be hurt by her.
It’s quite common in a lot of fantasy magic universes to follow the classic Light>Darkness idea when constructing their magical systems.
I.E. light/radiant magic is extra effective vs dark/evil magic, just how light tends to abolish darkness; but this vulnerability only works one way, where light does not take any extra damage from shadow/evil magic.
In other words, light users have an inherent advantage against shadow users. This is sometimes balanced with the light being less powerful vs non-shadow/evil entities.
Of course, this only translates into an advantage. Shadow magic of sufficient power could still overcome light magic if there was a large enough disparity in relative power(i.e. an adept Shadowmancer vs a Novice Priest).
But as I feel the need to add this to any post I make about Warcraft’s magic system; remember that Blizzard lacks a clearly defined magic system, and the semblance of a system that they have generally lacks internal consistency if you look into it. In other words(or to borrow from Uther in HOTS); you should not think too much into this.
Fel magic originates from Void and Light’s mutual destruction when they collide in the Twisting Nether, it doesn’t seem that unrealistic that a lightinfused and a voidinfused creature can’t be intimate when the result of the two powers in their raw form ends up creating Fel. (this is in chronicle 1 so it’s canon)
Normal regular priests and paladins are not lightinfused or voidinfused, hence you can’t draw prallels to hugging a Human shadow priest as a Lightforged. That said, we don’t know where the limit goes, when Alleria and Turalyon touched maybe they were stirred with emotions and it would be ok if they focused on keeping their powers in check, I don’t know, I hope Blizzard will come with an answer to that.
As for the questions regarding classes, there are also LF hunters on Argus if I’m not mistaken. And for rp’ing a priest, like a holy priest, nothing with shadow magic.
I do not think the Lightforged are extra vulnerable to the Void/Shadow, nor that the Void or Shadow infused are extra vulnerable to the Light (but I could be wrong), however…:
I do think those that are infused with the magic they wield, wield it more strongly than the un-infused.
I also think it practically proven (by Blizzard, in the Chronicles) that Light and Void react very forcefully when they clash, thus;
if a Lightforged “holy” priest or paladin were to fight or duel a void elf shadow priest…
it would be a quite terrifying display of power.
Secondly, as long as the Lightforged in question really reveres the Light, I think the personality is sort of free.
" Alleria called instead upon the Void, striking down the demons and opening a shadowy rift. Turalyon, who had become one with the Light, felt agonizing pain as she dragged him through it to a floating rock far away in the Twisting Nether. Dismayed at what she had done, he reached out to her only for their hands to burn at each others’ touch."
Now, Alleria had recently opened and draged Turalyon through a void rift so perhaps they can touch if they are in a “normal state” and like, wandering the city or something, we don’t know
Well.
I think “collide” is a keyword here.
A lot of things makes a violent reaction when they collide even tho they can touch.
When particles collides inside CERN all kind of strange things are created like the HIGS BOSON particle. but it is not created when particles simply touch.
Besides aren Arcane alos made by light and shadow, except that it is orderly structured. (maybe because it didd’nt collide).
And if FEL consist of both void AND light, how can then voidelf be warlocks if they are allergic to light ?
It does not add up.
I think Alleria and Turallyon suffered from a placebo effect, becasue logic and reason don’t match up with their feelings.
Then it doesn’t really matter what anyone says because if you don’t think it fits you will ignore the little fact we have, even if it is from Blizzard. Arcane is a source in itself in the Twisting Nether, the opposite to fel magic.
Well they are all forces in itself in the twisting nether :
as it says in this Audio drama on one of the first pages:
He could see entire worlds hanging in the distance, seemingly
close enough to touch and yet unimaginably far away. He felt the Light intermingling with
the Shadow. He felt the primal, uncontrolled forces of chaos and order, life and death,
clashing here.
Forces of chaos and order are fel and arcane as we know.
besides it is interesting that her sees the forces of shadow and light intermingling
Isn’t it so that Lightforged Draenei can be quite recently Lightforged? I think there was some dialogue or quest text that indicated the option that some previously unLightforged Draenei (those who came on the Genedar and/or the Exodar) could join the become Lightforged.
In that case, some Lf Draenei can be 25.000 years old, and have fought the Legion for just as long. This might make them somewhat… bitter, for lack of a better word.
Others might be a lot younger, and not as experienced in their Lightforged state. These, I think, could be less bitter than those who have waged war for millennia.
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as they say, you will show your enemies light’s wrath or something like that
