I understand that they wanted to reduce loot to make it more rewarding or whatever, and build this grand vault thing, but
I dont do mythic raids nor am I 2400 rated pvper so my only loot comes from m+, my only viable upgrade option.
For three weeks in a row Ive had it unlocked 10/10 and for three weeks i just get haste/mastery as veng dh.
Am I a joke to you? Why do you keep all these garbage options that I do not want as a veng dh
RnG is RnG.
RNG is RNG but why keep ~200 possible drops in this RNG list when a veng dh could only want to use about 20 of them which would already be 20weeks of play time
MY dad told me, everything before the word âbutâ is horsesh**
Idd, vault being the only viable offering for gear thou is kinda tedious. The differnce between mythic and heroic raid is almost 20 ilvl baseline as well. Its like, what is even the point of heroic again? And also no way an average guild gonna stand a chance in mythic decked out in HC gear, YOU NEED that 220+ gear from m+. Not saying m+ is bad, but on its own it is such a bad reward all to push this weekly RNG fiesta vault thingy. Give masters loot, tune raids appropriately and hand out rewards for a 15+ key actually entails.
And you expect what now? That blizz send you bis item by email. That vault is same or better than your Chest in bfa or did you already forgot that?
Blizz has this wrong view on loot where they believe every item you get needs to be an upgrade or something like that. Sometimes you just want to replace an item and overall amount of loot needs to be increased. Everyone should get loot from the last chest of an m+. It wonât increase gearing speed because best gear still comes from the chest. It will make it easier to have good stats.
Tying player power to long term RNG is very bad.
In BFA it made sense to have loot scarcity, because loot could be broken down into resources, and expulsom scarcity was a mechanic. However, in Shadowlands this doesnât make sense, as a useless piece of loot is just a few dozen gold, nothing else.
In BFA I feel like I had more usable items, maybe im wrong, but the m+15 dropped 465 while the weekly chest was 475 - 10 ilvls, now its 210 and 226 - 16 ilvls.
Heroic raids also dropped 460 in lower bosses, which was lower than highest m+ loot at 465. Now it is the opposite, 210 and 213. Also I could grind dungeons for a item drop to even have leech on it - here you can do the same dungeon 10x and not even see the item drop, and you simply dont have bis secondary-stat items in m+ for example there are no leather shoulders with haste and vers for veng DHâs.
Itâs frustrating, I am not a dungeon crawler but do occasionally a little bit of all content despite the raid. Have only done a few mythics but there is rarely anything worthwhile to pursue.
Even with rare loot, nothing stands out really. Still remember looting ashkandi in vanilla 15 years ago and it was massive, now nothing feels rewarding.
Back then it was big though. Now you can be a semi-good PVP player ~2400 rating, best are at 3k+, with no interest in raiding or m+ and sit at ilvl 222. I am at 207 after only been doing m+, I have several 200 unranked gear that could be upgraded 226 if I had interest in rated pvp. I do casual bgâs/arena and im honor capped at 15k honor with nothing to spend it on.
And theres such thing as upgrading m+ items, so it is not even worth spamming dungeons you already have a 210 drop in.
Stop doing m+ dungeons that have a lot of haste/mastery loot on the table.
The loot in your vault comes from the dungeons you did.
Last week I did 8x halls of atonement, yday in my vault I had 2 items from halls of atonement. I do halls of atonement because it has a lot of crit/haste gear that i want.
At least youre the best tank , think about warriors that cant even get into groups.
âKick prot take vengâ
Stop being a crybaby
im making my own groups anyway, so weird Q_Q comment about your own class. Fyi in world first mythic raid they used warrior tank.
Uh forgot to tell , people leaves groups that warriors creates
probably if you are doing +5âs where they dont even know how to walk straight to avoid pulling extra
Not saying that the loot scarcity and lowered quality of M+ is justified but i would really advise you and others to step out of their comfort zone, if only for the loot.
I started doing arena this season because the gear actually pushed me over the performance anxiety threshold and i am having a blast, i have played over 200 games since i started like 8-9 days ago
If you donât do raids/pvp right now, really do give it a shot, because i had for the longest time been scared of really diving headfirst into a new avenue of content but it not only fixes the loot scarcity but also breathes so much more life into the game.
Unfortunately they have removed so many DH defensives that i dont find arena very interesting this season. After using darkness I will die one cheap shot, or trinket the cheap shot and die during kidneyshot as havoc.
Or I go veng, where WW/retri palas/druids out heal my damage, and they basically wait for the correct timing to use convoke and blast me with 3k wrath 16k starsurge, 3k wrath, 16k starsurge⌠combo while Im sitting at 24% vers and -15% magic dmg belt. Plus illidans grap toss hasnt worked since October, and blizzard doesnt seem to be in a hurry to fix it.
Rated battlegrounds are okay, but after the tank nerf in january, where tanks take 50% more damage than other specs, it feels like a disc priest is on par or tankier than me too. Plus they nerfed trample speed in BGâs which makes it very lame. It would be a bit more fun with Night Fae covenant, but m+ forces me to go to Kyrian pretty much, and I cba do all campaign quests, followers leveling, anima powers from scratch to switch to NF 
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