[Lore] Gilneas following the Fourth War?

Yes. It doesn’t say that it’s habitable though, which was what you wanted evidence regarding, that I have provided.

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What part of

was unclear?

Probably the lack of sources for it :slight_smile: If you wanna headcanon go nuts, but the official word is that Gilneas is somewhere you need to limit exposure to, so Gilneas is not habitable. Anything more specific than that is you wanting to impose your own preferences.

Which, again, is fine, but don’t ask for sources and then object when they don’t say what you want them to say.

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The fact that more current sources say the Alliance is operating forces out of and in Gilneas makes the implication you take from the Tweets no longer mesh with the canon.

Gilneas has apparently been habitable all along, Gilneans are just too lazy and shiftless to do honest work rebuilding it.

No, it says the Alliance is moving through Gilneas.

That’s not the same thing.

The whole point is: The whole zone is -PURE- headcanon. Blight, Deployment, everything.

By using the zone as a RP hub you’re basicly creating an environment of guild-/group intern bubble lore, which is considerably unhealthy for the RP comunity as a whole.

Exactly this. The retcon chances are so high it’s unbelievable. We know -NOTHING-.

Could the mission tables mean the ZONE Gilneas (Interpretation: YOU): Yes.
Could the mission tables mean the GILNEAN STATE as an institution that has units deployed in the (as we certainly know) areas above the wall: Also yes. (Still I think that is what is talked about)

And the blight… I DO NOT have lore proofs other than what was already mentioned in the thread. I simply do not. And we have no clarity about what is truly going on. Only assumptions. Both sides.

Gilneas is nothing more than an empty frickin sandbox full of question marks. And there’s nothing unhealthier as an RP hub than such a scenario.

It is.

According to the old statements, the Horde and Alliance left Gilneas except for the coast. Now more recent lore says otherwise.

Either the situation on the ground changed, the situation on the ground has been retconned, or the situation on the ground wasn’t what you thought it was to begin with.

And to Lupus, no: the Mission Tables do mention Gilneas explicitly as a location. It’s not a matter of interpretation in this case. “Gilnean Army” could refer to an army of Gilneans - but the Forsaken are also planning to “attack Gilneas”, which does not make sense if the Alliance bases are somewhere outside of Gilneas proper.

To be perfectly honest, all these discussions usually come down to is some people saying Gilneas is uninhabitable to justify brushing off the crappy pack RPers, as though Duskwood hasn’t proven decisively that it won’t have any effect on them, and not actually based on any concrete evidence.

Just let people RP in Gilneas. It’s just as much fanfiction to say the entire country is covered in blight/plague/pumpkin spice as it is to say that it is perfectly restored - it’s all nonsense.

I think it is fair to say that all Gilneas military organizations wish to reclaim their country. I also think it is fair to say at this point, with so much up in the air, that to base yourselves there, military or otherwise is jumping the gun a small bit.

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It’s very hard to discuss when you’re switching between very interpretable mission table lore, in game references and twitter posts.

What if I say: “Attacking Gilneas means sending troups towards the border” ? The “Gilneas Liberation Center” (or however it’s called) is outside of the wall. And still technicly -IN- Gilneas since southern SPF is Gilneas. Mission table lore is referencing the real lore, not the ingame zones.

If you think otherwise then I have to reference the forsaken units deployed right behind the wall. Which clearly is nonsense since this hasn’t changed since Cata.

This is leading to nothing.

Yes. I give you that. It’s a big black hole of disagreements, headcanon, fanfiction and bubble RP. Nothing else.

I propose we tweet to an odd number of Blizzard writers.

Some will say it’s habitable, others will inevitably say no. Whichever gets the most writers behind it (since they clearly don’t communicate) we take as canon.

If habitable, we do it again asking the same writers who said it was habitable who holds it, Horde or Alliance. Whichever gets the most answers via the responses holds Gilneas.

All in favour?

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I’d rather tell them to just update the zone already, to be honest.

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I’m down. I wanna RP there so badly, any answer would be such a relief.

Praise :pray:

I am wiling to go on the limb here and say it MAY be a little bit headcanon from our side. How ever, with all the newest info we are having its more canon then headcanon.

You do NOT move your forces through potentially deadly environment if you know whats good for you and your forces. That suggest some kind of camps being in Gilneas. Also, you do not attack the land, you attack the forces on it, again, giving credence to my view.

Cuold i be wrong about this? Maybe, who knows. But i am DEFINITELY not as wrong as Lupus would like it to be.

And no, Lupus, when someone writes “Send forces to attack Gilneas” I’m pretty sure it means just that, attack forces in Gilneas, otherwise you are setting your self for a BIG surprise when those forces intercept you by the wall if they are indeed there.

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Yeah but let’s face it, they won’t because of some vague excuse.

And if they do it’ll get sharded like Orgrimmar is right now because it’ll be relevant content.

Dude, I WANT to agree with you.

Clear update of the zone/lore and I bring friggin 50 people to the zone to RP there.

There is about…50, maybe more there now. Most of the community is there now. As for the CLEAR update, i suggest you write to Blizzard.

The post-Cataclysm “revamped” world is almost twice as old as the pre-Cataclysm Classic world was when it was revamped, so it’s very much about time they give us another full rework.

To be honest, considering this was “Battle for AZEROTH” I kinda figured it was about time they did just that, but I guess that would make sense - and nothing about BFA is allowed to make sense.

They banned me from the Hearthstone GMs Chat because I wrote “Free Hong Kong!” in Twitch Chat :smiley:

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