The city has been in chaos for days now. Hiram Creed, disguised as a Gilnean, has infected the lot of those dogs with his own draconic blood. Even the Forsaken are having trouble routing him out.
The forsaken were still fighting for control of the city. They were struggling with the dragon blood infected Worgen.
When you complete the quest it says:
Creed is finished. The Gilneans who followed his lead are on their own now - assuming his corrupted draconic blood works its way out of their system without killing them.
Either way they’re no longer a concern of ours.
You basicly leave non empowered, possibly dragon magic free Worgen alone.
Did it ever occured to you, most of YOUR statments are YOUR assumptions…?
Partially yes, which is why Roleplaying there is an absolute no-no. There is absolutly no official canon on the state of certain areas behind the Greymane wall.
I posted all the lore information we have. And according to them, assuming certain areas of the Gilneas zone (behind the wall) are safe at this point is stretching it to headcanon and beyond. And that’s something that should be avoided in roleplay scenarios.
Lupus…may i suggest something, just off the bat here…Go fly into Gilneas, head straight towards the cathedral there and then post here what you saw in the cathedral courtyard. So we end this useless attempt by you to be the smartest kid on the forum, ok?
Just do me this one favor, as your old guild mate.
Blizzard didn’t update the world to keep up with the lore. Who could have EVER guessed?
Defias still harassing Sentinel Hill.
Horde and Alliance still clashing in southern barrens in a constant struggle.
Garrosh is still alive and actually just depressed in Nagrand.
Sorry mate, at least I make points and don’t personally attack someone like you are.
I debunked every single point you and others made to justify going there without assuming certain things to fit your role-playing needs.
If you find me any recent lore about things having changed in Gilneas since the legendary rogue quest line in Cata (Spoiler: The mission tables are not it) Id be there myself. But there simply isn’t.
Post lore sources and change my mind. If you don’t want to discuss, why are you even on a public forum? Aren’t they meant for that?
But the mission tables are canon? Can’t really dismiss that. I know we don’t see the zones but you don’t make missions into zones you would claim is like “chernobyl”
… also, Chernobyl is not some apocalyptic wasteland enveloped in a magical death field nobody can traverse.
It’s rather a large region (the Exclusion Zone) that is filled with ‘pockets’ (essentially puddles) of radioactive material to which exposure is dangerous, however wildlife, plants, and even human life within the Exclusion Zone remains quite possible - it’s just that as a rule, humans don’t want to live around pockets of extremely toxic radiation, since that’s very unsafe, hence the Exclusion Zone.
Given that unlike radiation, the Blight is a plainly visible phenomenon, I don’t see how comparing Gilneas to Chernobyl is supposed to indicate it is somehow uninhabitable.
Also, still no source on the actual Blighting has been provided to clarify why this isn’t all “assumptions” on Lupus’ part.
Which zones? You assume it’s zones not armies, we’ve had that discussion before. Also remember: Silver pine is partially Gilneas. And there are alliance troupes in SPF. Which is described in the missions. Nothing is even mentioned about any centimeter behind the wall. Nothing.
Actually ,Lupus, you didnt debunk anything. Those tents are not from cataclysm. But WoD i think, so two expansions apart. Or was it Pandaria? Then one. Since there was sure as hell no tents there when the Exodus happened, only the plague.
As for lore points, the newest thing is the missions, specifically saying Crowley is atacking Hillsbrad with a Gilnean army and the Horde mission that says horde armies are to attack specifically Gilneas to stop him, if im not mistaken?
The mission text of “Shadowfang Plague” (Alliance) does explicitly say that it is to be deployed “against Gilneas”, while the Horde version of the same quest says to deploy it against Alliance forces attacking Shadowfang itself. The implication does seem to be that the Alliance is attacking Shadowfang (a Forsaken stronghold) through Gilneas.
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There is also this Blizzcon announcement that explicitly states the Horde means to attack Gilneas.
I’ve also been looking and I’ve actually found no evidence of the Blight ever rendering Gilneas uninhabitable. Everything I’ve been able to find says the Blight/Plague was only deployed during the Worgen starter experience, and NOT present in the chronologically later Forsaken Silverpine quests, and that nothing indicates that it was further blighted since.
So… “Blighted Gilneas” is pure fanfiction? What are the sources here?
Yes, i would also like the source for the whole Gilneas is blighted statement, Lupus. I looked as well, cant find anything aside from the cathedral bit. Is that perhaps your headcanon, Lupus? Or are you maybe just wrong?
• April 16, 2014 – “@Loreology Is Gilneas still viable to visit the ruins or to make a mass in memory of the fallen? Or is it uninhabitable?” “The plague still remained, so its future is an open question.”
Hey, is the WHOLE of Gilneas still so blighted that noone can be (or RP) there? I’m from a RP server and this is often debated!"
“@sebastianraiha
It’s a dangerous place, but roleplayers can explore it if they wear face protection and limit their exposure. :)”
i feel like there’s no point getting invested or snippy over an argument you literally cant win because nobody knows conclusively what the answer is
no matter what evidence you have, there’s always a “yeah but x” statement to be made right back
you roleplay in a grey-area knowing its a grey-area, why pretend otherwise. you run the risk of folks thinking you’re breaking lore, that’s just how it be
So out-of-hand comments on Twitter are the strongest evidence you can provide against the actual in-game and book statements? That’s not really solid ground when the books say the Forsaken lived in Gilneas, and the game says the Alliance deploys from there.
If you consider more recent lore by the currently employed writers to override older lore, as well, then these tweets are very old compared to BtS and the Mission Table.
At the end of SoO, Varian says they need to “cleanse” Gilneas. Wouldn’t need to cleanse it if it weren’t Blighted. This gels with the twitter comments.
No they don’t, and it’s hilarious that you’d criticise “off-the-cuff” twitter remarks when Forsaken refugees in Gilneas was literally an off-the-cuff remark from Golden which she conceded shouldn’t be taken as lore.
It also still doesn’t say anything about the entirety of Gilneas being uninhabitable.
As I’ve said several times now in this thread, there’s a big difference between “Can’t be reclaimed for the civilian population” and “Literally impossible to live in”.
If people can live there, even if there are risks involved and potential danger spots, it is not uninhabitable. Period.
The New Plague,[1][2] also known as the Forsaken Blight[3] and the Blight[4][5] or blight is the Forsaken’s altered version of the powerful Plague of Undeath, which led to the creation of the Undead Scourge.
Where? Gilneas is an entire country, not just a city.
How much is too much? If limited exposure is not fatal then how much is?
How does one limit exposure? Goblins can survive inside the Blight with a breathing mask, so is it only toxic to breathe?
What methods have been used to cleanse it, and how successful has it been in the period between Siege of Orgrimmar and Battle for Azeroth, during which the Alliance was supposedly doing so?
Where are the Alliance troops coming from to attack Shadowfang Keep, Fenris Isle and Hillsbrad? Where is their staging ground and supply lines if not in Gilneas?
And that’s just off the top of my head.
The lore says there is activity in Gilneas, and you point to these two tweets as the be-all end-all of the discussion when they are outdated and purposefully vague.
At this point, I think it’s safe to say Gilneas is Alliance territory, as is the current writers’ intent when writing quests that explicitly state the Forsaken plan to attack Gilneas. Not Gilneans, not near Gilneas, Gilneas itself.
