I dont really know what to do, i have watched every guide on youtube or in pages like icy veins to help me with rotation-talents-azer. e.t.c. I still cant deal a good amount of dps. I try to use every skill i have at the correct timing, casting fire blast to get the 2 stacks and have insta pyro when i am casting fireball, i spam scorch at 30% so i can have insta pyro again, doing my aoe on 3+ targets but still my dps is 19k-21k. With fire mage i see everyone doing so much damage in raid or mythic+ , i have 450 ilevel and i deal 19k damage. (32%crit,24%haste,20%mastery,3%vesrat.)
From your quick explanation I can already spot mistakes. First of all, you don’t wait till you have 2 fire blast charges to get an instant pyroblast, you use them to capitalize on heating up procs to get a hot streak from there.
Second, it indeed sounds like you’re doing something fundamentally wrong, and if I had to guess, your combustion rotation and the rotation you do off-combustion are both wrong. Can you give us your mages name? Do you have any logs? If you do, I can help you more. Other than that, it is difficult to get to the root of the problem, since I can’t possibly know every single thing you’re doing incorrectly without some data on your character and playstyle.
PS: assuming you don’t have logs, I can do a little bit of free coaching for you in-game today if you have time and if you’re willing. Just tell me your characters name and stay online and we can figure it out.
Thank you for your reply, my mage name is augolemono (stormscale) i dont know how to show you my logs
I found them, it’s fine: give me a moment to edit this reply and I’ll give you some detailed information on what you can improve upon.
First, I’ll tackle your gear and talents: your talents are fine expect for the fact that you need to have rune of power talented. I don’t know if you usually do, but that’s pretty much a must if you’re going to play fire. I know it can feel limiting to play in such a small rune, but remember that the effect of it is much larger than what you can see: the range is about twice as big as you’d think from the effect. You can test this out by placing it on the ground and tracking the buff and seeing when it disappears (as in, you went too far). And by the way, this is a non-negotiable talent, you need to pick it for fire.
Next, try to get the mechagon bracers, and 3x blaster master for your azerite traits. Use raidbots.com
to sim your gear and scout for potential upgrades. Do this for every piece of gear you get for now so you get an idea of what’s good for you. Raidbots is easy to use, just use gear compare and type the item’s name there and the stats. PS: don’t forget to enchant your stuff, your weapon does not have an enchant (and neither do your rings).
Now on to the rotation. Biggest mistakes you made off-combustion: you seem to not use meteor very often during fights, from the two example fights I picked you hadn’t used them that much. Here is how you use meteor as fire: first during combustion, after that you use it ONCE between your next combustion (not twice) with rune of power. So for example: combustion (meteor here) -> meteor comes off cd (use again with rune of power) -> wait until the next combustion and then meteor again -> repeat. It’s important that you remember to save the meteor for combustion, so only use one meteor between combustion casts.
Next, you misuse fire blasts. You’ve cast them while you already have a hot streak (don’t do that!) and you’ve also cast them when you didn’t have heating up procs. Only use fire blasts in these two scenarios out of combustion: you have a heating up proc or you’re capped at 3 charges, in which scenario you cast it regardless since you don’t want to waste their cooldown. So remember: only use fire blasts if you have a heating up proc and turn it into a hot streak with it (or you’re capped with 3 charges, then use one fire blast so you’re not wasting the cd).
Next problem, and something you clearly do a lot: you cast pyroblasts without fireball. What I mean with this is that in your normal rotation, you basically just spam fireball until you get a heating up proc. Let’s create a scenario: you cast fireball -> you get a heating up. At this point, you should already be casting your next fireball. So, during that next fireball cast, you’re supposed to press fire blast, get a hot streak, and at the end of the fireball cast you cast a pyroblast. So fireball -> fireball -> fireblast -> pyroblast -> fireball. Remember that you need to cast fireblast and pyroball during your fireball cast, not after it. It’s a little difficult to explain. But, I’ve demoed it here: https://imgur.com/wzApjhl
. As you can see, my first fireball did not proc heating up, so I started casting the second cast. The second fireball did crit, so during my third fireball I casted fireblast and then pyroblasted at the same time. After this I would’ve resumed with a fireball cast immediately afterwards.
Lastly, let’s tackle your combustion usage. First of all, remember to use meteor while combusting. This is your basic opener: lucid -> rune of power -> meteor -> combustion. This is the hardest thing to get right in your rotation, but here’s a picture to help you with it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524387813060247553/606533890080899083/bm_combustion.png
. It shows what you should be doing with different setups (it’s a framework, it can be a little different depending on your lucid procs, but that’s good enough for you to work off of).
You also seem to have a lot of downtime (downtime means time spent not casting something). Try to minimize that. Use shimmer to primarily move out of mechanics if possible, avoid cancelling casts. Sometimes you don’t have a choice, so start casting scorch instead while moving to at least do something.
Here is what I used to analyze your gameplay. Here’s a link to your logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/augolemono
. Two fights I picked to analyze on wowanalyzer: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/pWcAdhHFxVb2GTaX/39-Normal+Ra-den+the+Despoiled+-+Kill+(5:00)/Augolemono/standard
& https://wowanalyzer.com/report/pWcAdhHFxVb2GTaX/9-Normal+Maut+-+Kill+(3:16)/Augolemono/standard/overview
. Here is my wowanalyzer of ra-den as reference: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/pmQXJzLy8rB4M3Nq/27-Heroic+Ra-den+the+Despoiled+-+Kill+(4:00)/Lidlmage/standard/overview
(btw ignore it saying that I didn’t cast lucid, it’s bugged).
Extra resources: https://discord.gg/makGfZA
(mage discord link), join it to ask questions there and to access their own guides and resources (top notch stuff), here’s a link to their updated fire mage guide: https://www.altered-time.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6917
. Other stuff here in this google doc link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18CmCX5umT7HThbPWWz2avgS9ugD-UIGW9-D9UT6s9eA/edit#
. Also, feel free to ask more questions from me if something was unclear about my explanation or you want something else answered.
Just want to add that fire is very gear dependant and fire ST isn’t as good as its rep. All it’s best ST parses come in at a fight time of 2:30ish where its got 2 combustions in a short fight.
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