Try to balance this a bit Blizzard? Hunters are killing people in 4 seconds with Rapid Fire + Aimed shot combo.
Ele Shamans killing people with Lightning Lasso.
Lots of people like to lvl through Battlegrounds but it isn’t fun unless you play one of the overpowered classes…
Low level pvp will never get balanced because some classes get op skills around 20 level other classes like warrior gets around 40 level etc.
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Yeah I have been leveling quite a few toons via pvp for the past couple of weeks and had to quit doing so and go back to spam dungeons and quests. The low level pvp is awful unless you’re playing 2 or 3 select classes, but anyway overall and even prior to the pre-patch WoW balance has been at it’s worst as far as I can remember, at least in terms of damage the disparity between some classes/specs is just too big not only leveling via pvp but even in pve some classes/specs are a no damage drag to level up.
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It was balanced in Legion … and it was fun.
In BFA Blizzard for some inexplicable reason allowed twinks in level battlegrounds and the battlegrounds died out.
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I’m not sure the problem is twinks, everyone can get a set of heirlooms, a weapon enchant and keep offset items on par with level. The main problem was the pre-patch balance changes, because of this a few select classes have insane high damage tooltips on some spells (even more than what they had during BFA) while the majority of other classes hit like wet noodles. Finally the fact that some classes just get their kits and strongest spells and feel more complete at a much lower lvl than other classes. Unless if by having twinks you mean allowing people to keep rerolling the same low lvl fotm class over and over again?
he means lvl 30 players with 50+ ilvl
And how is that possible at the moment?
Well, gear aside I can assure you part of the problem is the lack of balance in scaling and lower level kits. I have quite a few different classes at around 30-40 at the moment all with the same gear and ilvl mostly and I can tell you the damage tooltips favor some classes a lot more than others, a few select classes have easy to cast hard hitters while most other classes are stuck with pathetic tooltip damage. Example: See the tooltip damage for a lvl 35 hunter aimed shot using only heirlooms and then see the tooltip damage for a same level warriors mortal strike or a feral druids shred with the same gear, or compare the survival hunter spammable tooltip damage with say the fury warrior spammable of the same level and gear… this list of examples could go on but I think you get the point. And that’s why you see people stacking the same classes in lower level brackets which only serves to augment the balancing issues and make everyone else not playing said classes experience a pain, aka hunter spamming BG’s sucking all the fun out of these brackets because people are rolling hunters with the purpose of face rolling in these brackets, get to 50 delete, start again. If any other class was fotm then you’d see people spamming that class instead, at the moment it’s mostly hunters. Alas I tested this myself, as I say I have plenty of classes between 30-40, all of them leveled from BG’s from level 10 onward, some of them are a pain to queue with while a couple others I was instantly wrecking people at lvl 10 and this is even before factoring in any possible twink gear.
I mean in the beginning of BFA twinks were a problem. I quit doing low level BG’s because of the twinks. I quit the game completely because I no longer had fun in the game (I hated the eternal grind for borrowed power which even became worse and more alt unfriendly after I quit)
What I don’t understand is what do you mean by twink? What does a BG twink mean in BFA? For me a twink is a low level character with bis gear for his level, but everyone can have that with heirlooms nowadays so everyone is a twink using that logic making low level class balance the actual issue instead of gear, just to reiterate my concept of twink is related to having the best gear and staying at the top of a specific bracket. Prior to heirlooms and pvp leveling up experience of all the people twinks playing lower level brackets were considered twinks because they had bis gear for 19, 29, 39 etc and they would stay on top of those brackets only, as this isn’t possible nowadays so what is a twink nowadays?
EDIT: I also forgot to mention that back when twinks were relevant there was no lvl scaling so a lvl 21 wouldn’t scale up to 29 on that bracket. Nowadays everyone has scaling up to the same level and can have the same gear via heirlooms so I don’t get it.
Like you said a low level character with bis gear for his level. That was raid gear at that time, fully gemmed and enchanted. TBC and Wrath gear had 3 gem slots for example.
The difference between a twink and a heirloomed character was the same as between a lvl 50 freshly dinged heirloom character versus a Heroic Ny’alotha geared char today.
A twink holy paladin removed half of my shamans HP with one holy shock.
A twink MM hunter would close to one shot that same shaman.
A twink Druid just had to spam moonfire and reap in killing blows. One moonfire dot was enough to slowly kill my shaman if I didn’t heal myself.
A twink warrior was a tyranical dungeon boss.
Those twinks were very hard to kill too. They took very little damage from the non twinks and had very strong self heals.
Edit: My first post was a reply to someone who claim low level bg will never be balanced. But in Legion is was pretty well balanced. The biggest problem then were uneven teams like no healer versus 2 healers. But up until level 90 (before DH’s and Artifact weapons joined the BG’s) classes were pretty well balanced.
Sorry mate but I still don’t get it following your reply on how a BFA twink could do that. At what brackets do twinks use raid gear if any nowadays? Maybe the reason why I don’t understand what you mean is because I don’t know how the brackets were during BFA pre stat squish. Right now brackets are 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, etc. So twinks aren’t really relevant as far as I know raid pieces for old content aren’t better than heirlooms either currently, maybe that was different pre stat squish.
Not nowadays, I’m talking about the start of BFA, two years ago.
You locked your XP and farmed bis gear in raids. For level 50-60 this was Tier 2. For Level 60-70 this was Tier 6(,5) and so on.
People who had their XP locked didn’t join the random BG’s with non XP locked players in Legion. In BFA both players would meet each other in battlegrounds.
Twinks ruined my experience in low level bg’s back then. So I stopped doing low level bg’s. I was not the only one who didn’t bother anymore with low level bg’s. You noticed it with the very long queue times compared to the short 2-3 minute queues in Legion.
I also stopped playing the game before blizzard changed their mind about allowing twinks in the game, so I don’t know when and how Blizzard fixed the twink problem. Today the game has completely changed with the level squish and you can no longer compare the low level experience of today with the low level experience of 2 years ago.
Like I said before: two years ago the heirloom gear was just as good as the gear that dropped in a normal dungeon of your level. Raid gear was quite a few itemlevels higher. On top of that higher itemlevel you also had many gem slots. The difference between a character with just heirlooms and a fully raid geared character was the same as a freshly dinged character with a heroic geared character today.
Just search on google for ‘twinks in low lvl pvp in BFA’ and you will find many complaints about the twinks in early BFA… I didn’t complain back then, I just stopped playing.
Thanks for the detailed clarification mate, I got you now!
I was leveling rogue, and was also killing people rather quickly (hunters included). Every class got its strenghts.
Talking about balance - at low levels Vulpera racial hits for 15-30% character HP (instant ranged cast, this is really good combined with opening burst).
Wrong.
The twink meta at the start of BFA was to abuse proc-items, such as Sul’Thraze and Rammstein’s lightning bolts. You stacked those two items, along with the Northrend frag grenades and as much socket gear that you could get (for versatility gems), mix that with some pure versatility gear (Gnomer ring, and SM neck) and you’d have a 6k health lvl59 warrior with 30% versatility.
6k health, 30% versatility, an on-use 3 minute cooldown trinket that could crit for 3.5k AoE damage, and a weapon with a high proc rate that hit for 950 (1.9k crits).
Source? I played around with some scaling-abuse twinks at the start of BFA.
Blizzard allowed twinks back into BGs in Legion when gear no longer meant anything. When they turned templates off they forgot to separate twinks again.
Shortly after, all the procs items I mentioned were fixed and twinks were also thrown back into their own bracket. Basically killing every bracket aside from 19, 29 and 119.
Unfair statement honestly. A lot of those rants were from people that didn’t even know how or why twinked characters were so strong, and people have ALWAYS complained about characters outgearing them.
Even without twinks though, low level battlegrounds have always been an imbalanced mess. Cataclysm was the worst for that, since everybody and their grandmother with a few heirlooms could one-shot people.
Remember all the old “nerf shield slam” threads?
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Blizzard has not cared about low level PvP balance after Wrath. They dont tune it. Only thing that they are interested is max level raiding. And thats it. They dont care about the classes anymore. And they never care about PvP because they suck at it.
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It really wouldn’t be that hard to put a damage modifier that only works say, below lvl 50, that lowers Aimed shot damage vs players by 50%
I agree. Its not hard to tune numbers in 29, 39, 49, 59 and 60 brackets but Blizzard does not care about PvP anymore. They care about grinding gated content and people getting frustrated and spending money on token carries. Thats their mandate of heaven these days. If they dont do it they will be replaced.
Just had 2 BG’s in a row with a grand total of 11 hunters. God forbid people having fun playing any class that isn’t braindead broken in lower brackets. Seems indeed lower level bracket pvp is an aspect of the game that Blizz intend on people enjoying. Welcome to minority treatment.