M+ deserter system only moved the problem

[Dorphin-argent-dawn]

Ever since Legion, the approach has more and more become to provide solutions to problems in such a way that they created more problems, in order for them to provide new solutions, ad infinitum.

[Smashbro-auberdine]

please remove this absurd feature

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Dorphin-argent-dawn

Ever since Legion, the approach has more and more become to provide solutions to problems in such a way that they created more problems, in order for them to provide new solutions, ad infinitum.

this solution is brilliant though

if any group wipe - they instantly abandon key refusing to carry baddies

if baddies vote no - well rest of group seems to go in standstill refusing to boost for free

blizzard should give 1 more option - option to revoke the vote no for the "we refuse to boost " reason

actually 2 things- we shoudl be able to votre abandon key instantly when dungeon start and even mid fight

then it would be perfection

[Magiola-darksorrow]

@Futri-silvermoon

all they should have done just add a queue system to m+ and keep the optional pre made as well for those that don’t want queue up.

And before people say that it would put 500 score people with 3000 score people. No it would not. There is literally a scoring system just make tiers or requirements. Like let’s say if you beat all dungeons on +5 then you can queue up to +6 runs and so on so forth.

Nah, this won’t be the solution either.

We know for a fact that automatic matchmaking systems for PvE content are severely lacking in quality. How do we know this? Look at the difficulty it currently supports; none. LFR, normal/heroic/TW dungeons, … Heck, not sure if it’s still current, but in the past you got a buff for using the matchmaking tool for dungeons (stacks depended on the size of the group you queued up with) - just because grouping up with random people tends to … right … be quite a challenge.

Add the requirement to do all 5s to go to 6s, and you really create an abomination of a system where the (currently) struggling players unite into a cesspit of despair.

It’s a great way to nerf all the M+ levels which grant decent rewards to a Delve-level though. That ought to happen in such a system, to make it somewhat usable.

[Venomz-bladefist]

You can’t fix the community.

[Krokus-wildhammer]

Yes, it is a bad experience.
Investing time in forming a group, starting a dungeon only for someone to leave at the second or third boss.
Time wasted and fun lost.
This is why I don’t play for long, just for a month to experience the new content and that’s it.

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

Had a HoA run where, after a wipe on Halkias, the tank initiated a vote to abandon. It didn’t pass.

Then when we pulled the boss a second time he ran to stand on the healer and dropped the frontal on him.

Then he initiated a vote again.

[Razgard-draenor]

@Magiola-darksorrow

…to people just going offline as soon as they (themself) make mistakes, or it just goes a bit less smooth than hoped for (well, it’s week 2, what else is expected).

So let me get this straight:

People go offline and sabotaging groups, getting reports in this manner and risking real account disciplinary action, instead of just leaving and getting a tag that has no negative impact in game?

And they think they “game” the system?

Man I cannot wait for the new threads with people complaining about getting banned/disciplined while having done nothing wrong…

[Magiola-darksorrow]

@Razgard-draenor

So let me get this straight:

People go offline and sabotaging groups, getting reports in this manner and risking real account disciplinary action, instead of just leaving and getting a tag that has no negative impact in game?

And they think they “game” the system?

Man I cannot wait for the new threads with people complaining about getting banned/disciplined while having done nothing wrong…

Sometimes a system causes unexpected or unreasonable behavior. It’s what one has to keep in mind when designing such a thing.

It makes no sense, I agree. But I see it happen relatively often (more than leavers before…).

[Razgard-draenor]

@Lilíith-draenor

if baddies vote no - well rest of group seems to go in standstill refusing to boost for free

blizzard should give 1 more option - option to revoke the vote no for the "we refuse to boost " reason

There is such a vote. It is called joining a group. If you see that in the group you joined they are characters of questionable ability to perform, just leave then and there.

If you start the key then you take the risk that the pugs you found can be pretty bad and you are stuck with them until the end of the key (or until you leave).

[Razgard-draenor]

@Magiola-darksorrow

Sometimes a system causes unexpected or unreasonable behavior. It’s what one has to keep in mind when designing such a thing.

It makes no sense, I agree. But I see it happen relatively often (more than leavers before…).

My experience for now is that there are less leavers in 10s keys, and in higher keys nothing changes much, since the vote goes on and people decide to leave. I have yet to see someone going afk or dcing after a failed vote.

For now it seems the system is working pretty well. As time goes on when people understand what the deserter debuff does it will be even more chill, since people will not be afraid of getting it.

[Grondash-draenor]

Solo que and solo bg also match people with 0 rating and 2k ratings, still in the game

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Ellipsìs-tarren-mill

Had a HoA run where, after a wipe on Halkias, the tank initiated a vote to abandon. It didn’t pass.

Then when we pulled the boss a second time he ran to stand on the healer and dropped the frontal on him.

Then he initiated a vote again.

Well you brought that on yourselves by forcing him to stay .

Dont try to force people into boosting you and just vote yes next time

[Thellanah-aggramar]

whats the problem explain?

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Razgard-draenor

@Magiola-darksorrow

…to people just going offline as soon as they (themself) make mistakes, or it just goes a bit less smooth than hoped for (well, it’s week 2, what else is expected).

So let me get this straight:

People go offline and sabotaging groups, getting reports in this manner and risking real account disciplinary action, instead of just leaving and getting a tag that has no negative impact in game?

And they think they “game” the system?

Man I cannot wait for the new threads with people complaining about getting banned/disciplined while having done nothing wrong…

GL reporting someone for DC

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

@Lilíith-draenor

Dont try to force people into boosting you and just vote yes next time

So if 1 princess doesnt like the run, the rest of the 4 should just ?

[Razgard-draenor]

@Lilíith-draenor

GL reporting someone for DC

You’re reporting them for sabotage, which they might have dced and might have not. Blizzard has the tools to track it (let’s say if they log on another character or if they remain logged in bnet).

Thing is that if the option to fake dc becomes popular, then blizzard can easily crack down on it (like they did with people that joined keys just to leave them).

[Warlóór-steamwheedle-cartel]

No it’s about time they marked the toxic trash

[Gloober-aszune]

Some trash already marks itself by how toxic it is.

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Razgard-draenor

@Lilíith-draenor

GL reporting someone for DC

You’re reporting them for sabotage, which they might have dced and might have not. Blizzard has the tools to track it (let’s say if they log on another character or if they remain logged in bnet).

Thing is that if the option to fake dc becomes popular, then blizzard can easily crack down on it (like they did with people that joined keys just to leave them).

So you will be fake reporting then just because your free boost didnt go through ?

Showing the real toxic crowd here

Next time just but boost with gold then nobody will be complaining