Hello,
I switched to fire spec a week ago.
Currently, I am ilvl 208 and doing overall dps around 3.8k in +10 and +11 keys and 3.4k in raid bosses.
How good/bad is that?
fire is very volatile in the way it does damage, your overall damage can be much higher if your group does bigger pulls or can be miles lower if your group does say 3 adds at a time, so unless you have a group that is always pulling big and you compare yourself to someone who does that as well, you will not find an accurate answer in regards to M+.
In regards to Castle Nathria raid bosses your itemlevel is what someone who runs heroic would have, so im using that as a basis
https//www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#difficulty=4&class=Mage&spec=Fire&dataset=50&aggregate=amount&bracket=12
(add the : to http on my link)
The average DPS output for a fire mage in castle nathria heroic at the 50th percentile within the itemlevels of 206-208 is 3.2K (across all itemlevels 4K)
so you are doing better than average at your itemlevel.
If you wana know if you are playing optimally, we just have to change the percentile to 90 , and compare yourself to the top 10% fire mages
the average damage output at the 90th percentile (top 10) across all firemages within your itemlevel bracket is 4K so you’re slightly off that, but across all the fire mages its a wooping 5.4K.
Since itemlevel doesnt matter much, i would follow the second one as a basis to see if theres room for improvement or not.
but generally speaking, you are doing more dps than the average fire mage so good job, just know you can still improve a level further.
PS: Dont use 95th or 99th percentile as log comparison, because those logs tend to be manipulated in ways that allows players to have a higher damage output (such as speed kill groups who kill bosses in 1-2min while ignoring all mechanics or groups who spam give power infusion to the same player, they are not a real representation of class mastery or skill.)
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Thank you for the detailed answer.
In this case my short term goal in raids is to improve my rotation so I can reach 4k DPS.
Regarding the M+, that’s true, the tank kept pulling 3 to 5 mobs and moving (kiting them). Sometimes, my flamestrike didn’t hit the mobs because of the high movement.
What other mages do if the tank keeps kiting the mobs all the time?
just try and adapt to different circumstances, thats part of the experience of being a good mage at the end of the day. Dont look at your meters thinking “my damage should be 10K right now, not 5k” look into the actual game and whats going on around you and try to maximize your damage around that, at the end of the day a damage meter is too volatile to be a real representation of your skill as a player since theres a lot more variables to take into account.
Fire mages tend to be very specific in what they need to shine, so i’d suggest two things:
this works out for every single class, use this website https//bloodmallet.com/
(again add the : ) and see what are your best legendaries, conduits, trinkets and hunt those, fire mage has a lot higher dependency in having the right items than most classes. (such as infernal cascade right now, or the pvp trinket)
My second recommendation is to follow the fire mage rotation chart for combustions that you can easily ask for in the mage discord https//discord.gg/makGfZA
practice that rotation chart, but TL:DR; a good fire mage most of the time simply masters their combustions and thats the primary part , min maxing your damage outside combustion doesnt have as large of an implication in your overall dps than the combustion itself, and a little bit of practice will make you perfect in that regard.
You can also use Icyveins website for a more indepth analysis without needing to ask around for help, all 3 of these sources are reliable and used by the best players. (though rarely, icyveins might be slightly out of date if something good just came out, but rotation principles and recommendations can still be quite good)
Sounds pretty average for a pug. I was doing 4.5k dps on hungering at 210 ilvl on heroic for a point of comparison if you’re interested, so there’s probably some work for you to do if you want to be considered “good” though obviously that’s a rather subjective term (depends on who you ask). Using an objective scale like warcraftlogs though, I wouldn’t call anyone who averages below 90 on heroic or normal “good”. Mythic is harder to do well in.
When I switched to fire from frost, I was also about your ilvl, and I was usually aiming for a +5k overall dps in m+. Some tips for m+: try to maximize combustion usage, don’t hold it for a pull unless you’re very confident about what you’re doing (common sense can be applied, if tank pulls 1 normal mob don’t pop combust if the next pull is a bigger one). For flamestrikes, just try to make sure that the initial hit hits as many as possible, flame patch is nice but it’s mostly just extra. About flamestrike hardcasts: do it when you have +3 targets with flame patch and they’re above 30% health, and combust is on cooldown and you can guarantee it’ll hit the mobs when the cast is finished (it’s a long cast, beware).
Proper combustion usage is very important. For reference, I can usually pull +7k overall dps with my current gear with a pug tank that I don’t communicate with. Depends on dungeon of course, some dungeons are better for damage than others. But bad combust usage is probably biggest reason for losing dps.
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